New universe Leda

Quote from Crash Bandicoot

if you want to get good trades/ratio but you sell at the worst ratio possible, you are going nowhere. For that reason i said you are a "noob". Cause this way you are conditioning your ratio even more, getting the worst possible and even beyond.

So what's your solution then?

A)

Should I trade it off at 1,4:1 ratio http://prntscr.com/pzv05o and pay 10% market fee, knowing full well that it will NEVER be bought at that price and I have to pay 15% fee when it's been on the market for too long and not been bought.

B)

Should I just keep saving it up, building more and more large cargos to store it? Or hide it behind a bunker, making it more and more profitable to attack?

C)

Sell it off at a shit price.

You are quick to call out a bad solution, but you don't really offer a better alternative.

the situation we have here is a basic market/psychology example

on the link you can watch a Ted-Ed video about competitive sales tactics, and it all comes down to S.O.S. (socialy optimal solution) and Nash equilibrium as evewry ogame uni acts as an environment and a community filled with real people with real behaviour patterns

S.O.S. is highly unlikely and highly unstable in a big community and it wil lcome to a Nash equilibrium, every1 just looks at his own profit and that is that, even tho it we work together as a group we might profit more, but there is no way to guarantee others will work for the group and not profit for themselves and scamm you

there is another way to ilustrate this, it is calles prisoners dilema, it is a paradox that comes from the field of game theory

and we have a briliant real life use of it ona a TV Show golden balls or smth

the point is to try and understand what others will do, ad a uni had 100, 200, 300 active players you can allways expect to have enough players that drops the rates down for their own benefit and not for teh benefit of the uni, so S.O.S. situation is not possible, only way left it to be like them and profit for yourself too, and we reached Nash equilibrium

exceptions are unis with low number of active players, like mine is, and we managed to come to an agreement as close to S.O.S. as possible, we do not attack, we do not FS, we mine and farm inactives, this is like top 11 of us, bouth by mines and fleet, all that is left are 3 or so more partialy active players that have to take good care of their acc not to get hit or completly destroyed like others did

this way we save up to 150+mil deut every day just by not FSing

this can not happen if uni had lets say 100 active players as they would pose a threat even if we were on top, 5 of them could do damage to my fleet

Museko Style i appreciated all you wrote and even the videos.

Sazr the solution is to sell via transport mission. Cause the entire system that market work around can't afford in a solution. Is like you are saying me "an attack is coming, how can avoid it?", you just can't, but you can do (or don't) what is needed to minimize the incoming damage.

In the market specific chase, to minimize it you should not buy/sell.

It is absurd cause market is thinked for it? Yes, it is...but if you want to see things going better then stop to use it. There is no other solution.

Otherwise use it and don't complain, cause it will be even your fault.

that is right if oyou use it you have no right to complain

but if i can buy 60k crystal for 40k metal, oh yeah i am gonna buy it

regular trade via transport has the real value of ress but again, why pay 100k metal for 60k cry if you can get it for 40k right?

don't fight it, you are going against the flow, it is the human nature whne you have manny participants

Quote from Crash Bandicoot

Sazr the solution is to sell via transport mission. Cause the entire system that market work around can't afford in a solution. Is like you are saying me "an attack is coming, how can avoid it?", you just can't, but you can do (or don't) what is needed to minimize the incoming damage.

In the market specific chase, to minimize it you should not buy/sell.

It is absurd cause market is thinked for it? Yes, it is...but if you want to see things going better then stop to use it. There is no other solution.

Otherwise use it and don't complain, cause it will be even your fault.

You are offering a solution that would work in a none-MCO unis, but this is a MCO uni.

The whole reason 90% of people buy deu is to sell it and earn more at the merchant. The merchant is disabled in Leda so those 90% won't buy deu anymore because they have no way of benefiting from it.

You have a minority looking for deu for fleeting and an overwhelming amount of deu supply. Do you really think that fleeting minority is going to pay reasonable rates crystal:deu rates? No, they need crystal for their hyperspace drive, battlecruisers and astro. There's way too much deu and way too few buyers so the price goes down. Supply vs demand.

I could attempt to look for better rates, but is it really realistic to find better rates? Not really, the marketplace is there, like it or not, people will use it. Would it be better if nobody used the market? Yes, it most likely would, but is it realistic to make an agreement between all players/deu sellers in Leda to agree that nobody uses the market? Not really.

So we end up in the situation where we can scream at the monitor because nobody want to give the usual rates, we can sell the deu much cheaper than usual, or we can keep the deu and benefit from it in absolutely no way.

And how am I complaining about it? I am just stating how it is.

you got all the right points

would like to see how will it pan out in our community whit less players when uni gets empty, will we be able to organize ourselves like we did with no FS

but in this MCO unis slot 15 is next to worthless untill fleeters begin to realy dump deu

Ok then, just use different ratios and enjoy it.

Marketplace ruined this game, and i'm not talking about crystal lack, cause it need just to balance the mines and wait the production.

i can understand some people do not like changes, i personaly do not like when my web browser or OS changes look and position of some functions

Also i tbi k game is not ruined, w ejust have to figure it out, how to work around that

Quote from Museko Style

the situation we have here is a basic market/psychology example

on the link you can watch a Ted-Ed video about competitive sales tactics, and it all comes down to S.O.S. (socialy optimal solution) and Nash equilibrium as evewry ogame uni acts as an environment and a community filled with real people with real behaviour patterns

S.O.S. is highly unlikely and highly unstable in a big community and it wil lcome to a Nash equilibrium, every1 just looks at his own profit and that is that, even tho it we work together as a group we might profit more, but there is no way to guarantee others will work for the group and not profit for themselves and scamm you

there is another way to ilustrate this, it is calles prisoners dilema, it is a paradox that comes from the field of game theory

and we have a briliant real life use of it ona a TV Show golden balls or smth

the point is to try and understand what others will do, ad a uni had 100, 200, 300 active players you can allways expect to have enough players that drops the rates down for their own benefit and not for teh benefit of the uni, so S.O.S. situation is not possible, only way left it to be like them and profit for yourself too, and we reached Nash equilibrium

exceptions are unis with low number of active players, like mine is, and we managed to come to an agreement as close to S.O.S. as possible, we do not attack, we do not FS, we mine and farm inactives, this is like top 11 of us, bouth by mines and fleet, all that is left are 3 or so more partialy active players that have to take good care of their acc not to get hit or completly destroyed like others did

this way we save up to 150+mil deut every day just by not FSing

this can not happen if uni had lets say 100 active players as they would pose a threat even if we were on top, 5 of them could do damage to my fleet

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I remembered another more recent video about predicting human behaviour and this is what usually we do here in ogame to catch someone