In Virgo I did an Expedition and encountered with Alien, after the battle, all their ships were destroyed, but no DF from alien ships created. Is this normal? I am using Collector class.
No more DF for Alien Ships destroyed?
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In Virgo I did an Expedition and encountered with Alien, after the battle, all their ships were destroyed, but no DF from alien ships created. Is this normal? I am using Collector class.
DF is still being created - try probing the expo spot to confirm.
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Hm... It is created based on the fleets I lost, the Alien fleets destroyed didn't contribute to the DF. I thought both fleets destroyed should be counted for the total DF created.
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Hm... It is created based on the fleets I lost, the Alien fleets destroyed didn't contribute to the DF. I thought both fleets destroyed should be counted for the total DF created.
Can you share the CR?
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I just realised that their fleets did create DF, but only about 10%, that is why I thought there is no DF from them because 10% is too small.
This is from Kalyke (Uni setting is 80% fleets to DF), they lost 514k, but only 51.8k DF created:
Combat Report Sukhavati V [3:238:16]15.12.2019 07:35:04
From: Fleet Command
Attacker: (Pirates): 514.000Resources: 0, Loot: 0%
Debris field (newly created): 51.800
Defender: (NamoAmitabha): 4.000Actually repaired: 0
Moon Chance: 0 %
and here is another report which was sent earlier, it seems that the DF is 10% of the total fleets destroyed from both side:
Combat Report Sukhavati V [3:238:16]14.12.2019 10:33:52
From: Fleet Command
Attacker: (Aliens): 96.000
Resources: 0, Loot: 0%
Debris field (newly created): 14.600
Defender: (NamoAmitabha): 50.000
Actually repaired: 0
Moon Chance: 0 %
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The thi g is, that you as collector class, cant see df in galaxy, its visible in galaxy only to discoverer class
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The thi g is, that you as collector class, cant see df in galaxy, its visible in galaxy only to discoverer class
It is true that as a Collector class, I cannot see the DF in galaxy view, however, that doesn't meant that I cannot tell if my expedition create DF on a particular slot 16, because the DF amount is reported in the CR whenever I encounter with aliens or pirates. Now my question is, the Combat report shows that there is only 10% fleet to DF, which is confusing.
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The thi g is, that you as collector class, cant see df in galaxy, its visible in galaxy only to discoverer class
It is true that as a Collector class, I cannot see the DF in galaxy view, however, that doesn't meant that I cannot tell if my expedition create DF on a particular slot 16, because the DF amount is reported in the CR whenever I encounter with aliens or pirates. Now my question is, the Combat report shows that there is only 10% fleet to DF, which is confusing.
What is confusing, discoverer have 20% to df, others 10%
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The thi g is, that you as collector class, cant see df in galaxy, its visible in galaxy only to discoverer class
It is true that as a Collector class, I cannot see the DF in galaxy view, however, that doesn't meant that I cannot tell if my expedition create DF on a particular slot 16, because the DF amount is reported in the CR whenever I encounter with aliens or pirates. Now my question is, the Combat report shows that there is only 10% fleet to DF, which is confusing.
What is confusing, discoverer have 20% to df, others 10%
OK, didn't know expedition DF rule is 10% for collector, so that explains it. Thanks!
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I got this very same problem in Bellatrix, i sent out a combat expo to experiment.
its a 70% debri uni and i am discoverer class.
i was expected to see a much bigger debri field.
Debris (new): 10.881Mn => 622 Pathfinder
- 6.018Mn
- 4.862Mn
- Class:
- Weapons: 230%
- Shields: 230%
- Armour: 230%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 0 -1.241
- Battlecruiser 0 -168
- Reaper 0 -105
Civil ships
- Large Cargo 0 -221
Confederation from Moon 3:90:14 Defender:- Class: Discoverer
- Weapons: 200%
- Shields: 200%
- Armour: 200%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 2.030 -970
- Battlecruiser 386 -14
- Reaper 249 -1
Civil ships
Large Cargo 428Trash sim says it should be 25mill + debri.
There is a 20% debri cap, where is this stated?
Currently to me this looks like a bug.
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I got this very same problem in Bellatrix, i sent out a combat expo to experiment.
its a 70% debri uni and i am discoverer class.
i was expected to see a much bigger debri field.
Debris (new): 10.881Mn => 622 Pathfinder
- 6.018Mn
- 4.862Mn
- Class:
- Weapons: 230%
- Shields: 230%
- Armour: 230%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 0 -1.241
- Battlecruiser 0 -168
- Reaper 0 -105
Civil ships
- Large Cargo 0 -221
Confederation from Moon 3:90:14 Defender:- Class: Discoverer
- Weapons: 200%
- Shields: 200%
- Armour: 200%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 2.030 -970
- Battlecruiser 386 -14
- Reaper 249 -1
Civil ships
Large Cargo 428Trash sim says it should be 25mill + debri.
There is a 20% debri cap, where is this stated?
Currently to me this looks like a bug.
There is no cap on how big a DF can be any more. The DF generated after a combat is 10% for Collector/General and 20% for DiscoverMasterClass.
And its been talked and tested to death in the MCO thread and 50 other treads on the same topic. -
I got this very same problem in Bellatrix, i sent out a combat expo to experiment.
its a 70% debri uni and i am discoverer class.
i was expected to see a much bigger debri field.
Debris (new): 10.881Mn => 622 Pathfinder
- 6.018Mn
- 4.862Mn
- Class:
- Weapons: 230%
- Shields: 230%
- Armour: 230%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 0 -1.241
- Battlecruiser 0 -168
- Reaper 0 -105
Civil ships
- Large Cargo 0 -221
Confederation from Moon 3:90:14 Defender:- Class: Discoverer
- Weapons: 200%
- Shields: 200%
- Armour: 200%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 2.030 -970
- Battlecruiser 386 -14
- Reaper 249 -1
Civil ships
Large Cargo 428Trash sim says it should be 25mill + debri.
There is a 20% debri cap, where is this stated?
Currently to me this looks like a bug.
There is no cap on how big a DF can be any more. The DF generated after a combat is 10% for Collector/General and 20% for DiscoverMasterClass.
And its been talked and tested to death in the MCO thread and 50 other treads on the same topic.in essence your reccing your own debri field and gain pretty much nothing out of it to send a combat fleet into expodition.
guess w'll have to live with it
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I got this very same problem in Bellatrix, i sent out a combat expo to experiment.
its a 70% debri uni and i am discoverer class.
i was expected to see a much bigger debri field.
Debris (new): 10.881Mn => 622 Pathfinder
- 6.018Mn
- 4.862Mn
- Class:
- Weapons: 230%
- Shields: 230%
- Armour: 230%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 0 -1.241
- Battlecruiser 0 -168
- Reaper 0 -105
Civil ships
- Large Cargo 0 -221
Confederation from Moon 3:90:14 Defender:- Class: Discoverer
- Weapons: 200%
- Shields: 200%
- Armour: 200%
Combat ships- Heavy Fighter 2.030 -970
- Battlecruiser 386 -14
- Reaper 249 -1
Civil ships
Large Cargo 428Trash sim says it should be 25mill + debri.
There is a 20% debri cap, where is this stated?
Currently to me this looks like a bug.
There is no cap on how big a DF can be any more. The DF generated after a combat is 10% for Collector/General and 20% for DiscoverMasterClass.
And its been talked and tested to death in the MCO thread and 50 other treads on the same topic.in essence your reccing your own debri field and gain pretty much nothing out of it to send a combat fleet into expodition.
guess w'll have to live with it
Gaining nothing ?
I play in a x1 Fleet x2 Eco uni with #1 on around 10M points and I get a profit of 4-6M Res (about 60-75% of as Crystal) per time I encounter Pirats/Alians.
And doing 42-49 expos per day I get around 4-5 (sometimes more) Pirats a day.
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Defender: (Confederation): 13.114Mn
Debri: 10.881Mn
vs aliens.
what do you sent out as combat fleet into slot 16?
Combat ships
- Heavy Fighter2.030-970
- Battlecruiser386-14
- Reaper249-1
Civil ships
- Large Cargo428-172
is what i sent.
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I send 7x 1Reaper + 2000 (or more depending on what I have home atm) Pathfinders + 1 Probe.
Pirats/Aliens I meet then only consist of Pathfinders themself and I win the fights with 0-40k losses. -
Defender: (Confederation): 13.114Mn
Debri: 10.881Mn
vs aliens.
what do you sent out as combat fleet into slot 16?
Combat ships
- Heavy Fighter2.030-970
- Battlecruiser386-14
- Reaper249-1
Civil ships
- Large Cargo428-172
is what i sent.
IMO, and based off my experience that is not a good combo to send. You don't want to send that many combat ships. I think, and I'm still experimenting with it myself...is that you want a very high LF to LC ratio.
I'm sending 10K LC/600 LC/1 DES/1 PATH/1 ESP in a 1x uni w/rank 1 <25KK and it's bringing me between 3KK and 4KK profit per encounter, but it depends on which size category of pirate/alien encounter you're fighting.
I just got this:
Attacker: (Pirates): 15.572Mn
Resources: 0, Loot: 0%
Debris field (newly created): 3.127MnDefender: (PAGAN): 64.000
Actually repaired: 0
Moon Chance: 0 %I lost only16 LF but got a DF of 2.3KK M and 890K C. And for my uni, that's a decent profit for 2 hours of flight time.
Keep in mind, you have to accept the risk of a total loss and losing 10K LF and everything else I'm sending would still sting.
If you use http://bontchev.my.contact.bg/ogame/expeditions.html and input your fleet, it will give you a good idea what you can expect to encounter then you can sim it. Keeping in mind the difference in combat techs for pirates (-3 to yours) and aliens (+3 to yours).
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IMO, and based off my experience that is not a good combo to send. You don't want to send that many combat ships. I think, and I'm still experimenting with it myself...is that you want a very high LF to LC ratio.
I play exclusively in new Unis right now, no merchant, so I set my expos up to try to increase the amount of Crystal in the DFs.
5x eco uni, top player under 25 mill but over 5 mill
3500 LF2100LC
1 Reaper
1 PF
sometimes a probe but I dont care if I am the only one in the system running expos. Saves message spam, frankly.
In Mensa, which is 1x fleet speed, I use SCs. Also 5x eco, but top player isnt 5 million yet.
3500 LF
4000 SC1 Reaper
1 PF
My DFs end up 60-40 ish Metal to Crystal with very few losses. They arent huge, not looking for that right now, looking for consistent returns from as many expos as possible, and the DFs fall right into the average find from resource and ship expos.
PS:
Is it true that Pirate-Alien DFs for non-Discovs is only 10%, not 20? I thought when they took off the cap they made it a universal thing, 20%, so all players could benefit from the chance of a big pirate battle.
Could someone link me to the official announcement of it if its true? I have looked, but dont see it in the change logs. -
No "official" statment.
But look at the main MCO and the multitude of other ExpoPost and you see that after ALOT of testing none-discover classes only get 10% -
Also. this tooltip seems to be either wrong or there is a bug:
Pathfinders are fast, spacious and can mine debris fields on expeditions. Total yield also increases.
Also:
PathfinderPathfinders are fast and spacious. Their construction method is optimised for pushing into unknown territory. They are capable of discovering and mining debris fields during expeditions. Additionally they can find items out on expeditions. Total yield also increases.
But they dont seem to be reccing the debri. Is this a bug or working as intended and is the tooltip wrong..?
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It doesnt happen when the attack occurs, only Reapers do that, and only on DFs in "normal" space.
For slot 16, you send a Harvest mission with PFs. Regular recs cant harvest it.