Payment ban is no longer a permanent ban

    So this is interesting.

    I wonder if this post will get removed since it continues to shine a light on the way this game has gone, and how terrible it is now.


    If you did not know, if you were under attack and say someone locked your fleet, you could buy dm, cancel the payment on your credit card side, and it would ban you, ending the attack?

    Pretty low down and sad. I mean, you have to be truly pathetic to exploit such a thing in the first place.

    This used to result in a permanent ban, so maybe you saved yourself a fleet crash , but you lost your account.

    Pretty fitting considering the sad sack nature of the person who would play the game in that way anyways,


    It seems this is nor longer the case, however. I can only assume, as was pointed out by someone else, the account probably went ahead and let the payment process, therefore getting the account out of ban.


    So let us reward pathetic players doing pathetic things to try and cheat getting crashed, by allowing them to get their account back. As long as we get our money of course, then what is the issue?


    Glad I quit playing. Don't intend to come back. This just gave me a serious laugh.

    Since that is how the game is played, everyone should play that way.

    So don't let yourself get hit, just buy dm and cancel the payment!

    You can fix it later apparently and it is all good.


    Cheat on you :censored:


    Side note, I did not miss someone because of this, so I am not salty before the hahas start coming in. But you can laugh cause i did say F this game and finally called it. Best to you all, you legit ogame players.

    Quote from Heretic

    This used to result in a permanent ban, so maybe you saved yourself a fleet crash , but you lost your account.

    Nope. As soon as the money was on GFs bankaccount again, the ban would get lifted by the system. Has been like this for years and in other communities the case you described to not get hit results in a perma ban by the team as punishment.

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    Quote from NoMoreAngel
    Quote from Heretic

    This used to result in a permanent ban, so maybe you saved yourself a fleet crash , but you lost your account.

    Nope. As soon as the money was on GFs bankaccount again, the ban would get lifted by the system. Has been like this for years and in other communities the case you described to not get hit results in a perma ban by the team as punishment.

    "In other communities"?

    So this mean that here it is allowed.


    Do the question come by itself;

    Why?

    Why it is not allowed somewhere else and here yes (if it really is, never saw a thing like this).


    Do you know why?

    Quote from NoMoreAngel
    Quote from Heretic

    This used to result in a permanent ban, so maybe you saved yourself a fleet crash , but you lost your account.

    Nope. As soon as the money was on GFs bankaccount again, the ban would get lifted by the system. Has been like this for years and in other communities the case you described to not get hit results in a perma ban by the team as punishment.

    He just wasn't quite clear. The account was immediately unbanned upon payment as you describe, but then banned by the team for bug using to avoid fleet crash. This ban was only 4 weeks or something, not perma which was Heretic's point. It basically means you have no reason not to cheat if your fleet gets locked. Save your full fleet, only get banned for 4 weeks.


    To further rub salt into the wound, if the attacker uses DM and res to force the situation occur (highly likely as it's MDs) then the attacker does not get any of this refunded. So a player cheats to save their fleet and loses 4 weeks. A player uses legitimate means to force the situation and takes a loss in res and DM spent.


    In effect, it has allowed a player to cheat with minimal consequence and meant they wasted the attackers RL money... who wants to invest and do some fleeting guys? sounds terrific!

    Space Pyrate

    This happened several times in VEGA and the ban was not perma.....One individual did it TWICE, and was unbanned very quickly....in just a few days if I remember correctly. I wish this would be addressed....

    Hey, I know letssled attacks you a lot with his rips.......and I want to crash those rips a lot!


    Words to live by:


    Anyway, the bad news is that inviting/trolling me here on this thread or in the ticket system doesn't change your guilt. I suppose the only thing you have left since you're a lying and manipulative cheater is to try and make me dance, so we did the Congo.


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    Silverwind

    Also safe to say no everyone uses it.


    I CONSIDERED doing it when I was mded and it looked like I was getting timed back.


    Decided to go out balls deep.


    Turns out that I didn't get hit, felt like a hero and promptly df fsd

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    Stuck in Pagan's room of "I cant deal with this" since 2024

    The best thing to happen to Muppets since discovering Womens wrists are smaller than Mens.




    had this happen to me in .de together with Tirnoch and that player was then promptly permabanned by a (very angry) GA


    obviously things like that don't work that way on .org where even the most far-reaching excuse can get you unbanned

    In the case of my friend, GA did not forward the appeal to a higher instance. He just locked the ticket.

    I think it has a big impact on who reported you, who you are and who your GA is - in Balkan Uni :)

    This issue falls under the Breach of Rules category and will earn a nice permanent ban here in .org.

    We have banned several accounts this way in the past and I'm sure we will continue to do so.

    If you see somebody dodged your attack with a ban, raise a support ticket.
    It might not have anything to do with a payment ban but we will happily check it out.

    If the player is abusing the system then that player will be given a permanent time-out.
    If the player was banned for another unrelated reason (say for something he did the day before), then the regular rule violation     ban will apply.

    Sometimes, what appears to be dodging an attack via the payment system really is not how it went down.


    Unfortunately, there is no way for the attacker to know this though because the pillory is no longer available.

    However, you can be certain we will investigate the ticket submitted by the attacker.

    We had the same trouble in Electra ,popped ,locked and he got payment ban and laughed at all the fuss on the boards too .......went all the way to COMA with the complaint and the account was still un banned ,in fact the account is in Quantum at this moment :) . ( not the same owner now ) Its Gonzos :thumbsup:

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    appreciate the reply Kewlness, but the situation referred to is exactly what you describe as a perma ban situation, yet the account had a 4 week ban instead.


    If an account gets it’s deploy popped, recalls and then suddenly becomes banned before the attacker can time the return, it’s obvious what’s happened. The attacker even provided the fleets return time on the ticket (we confirmed this by watching the planet acti and timer whilst the account was banned)

    Space Pyrate

    Quote from pirate andy


    appreciate the reply Kewlness, but the situation referred to is exactly what you describe as a perma ban situation, yet the account had a 4 week ban instead.


    If an account gets it’s deploy popped, recalls and then suddenly becomes banned before the attacker can time the return, it’s obvious what’s happened. The attacker even provided the fleets return time on the ticket (we confirmed this by watching the planet acti and timer whilst the account was banned)

    Actually, it is not obvious to you what happened.
    In fact, I know of several cases where players got banned for other infractions before the attacks landed.

    We got plenty of tickets complaining about the use of the payment system to avoid the attack.

    The reality was very much different and no payment ban was involved at all.


    It is an unfortunate set of circumstances which can happen as we are all human.

    However, just because you call out what you think you see does not mean you are actually seeing what happened.

    Again, there is not a pillory anymore so you guys can only assume.

    The reality can be completely different.

    I’m sorry but anyone can cut a story whatever way they like. Even if it wasn’t payment ban, let’s go with the facts:


    1) account gets banned when their recall deploy is timed. Attacker can’t attack. Fleet is saved. Whatever the ban reason, it saved the fleet.

    2) account gets unbanned within a day. The ban was either served or clarified...

    3) after tickets are raised, the account is rebanned for 4 weeks, ergo acknowledging a serious infraction took place.


    So, there is the catch. Unless, that infraction was coincidently, completely unrelated and serious enough to warrant a month long ban then of course... seems legit lmao.

    Space Pyrate

    Remember, there can always be extenuating circumstances.

    Like I said before, ultimately, the decision lays with CoMa.

    Everybody has the same right to appeal a decision and plead their case.


    If that means you guys believe it is no longer a perma ban, then that is fine as well.

    Just don't be surprised if you decide to violate the rule when you get the administrative sanction placed on your account.

    :shrug:

    Quote from kewlness

    If the player was banned for another unrelated reason (say for something he did the day before), then the regular rule violation ban will apply.

    What are the odds for that to happen honestly? Even twice on entire org would be to much of a coincidence. There is no real difference between payment ban and any other ban reason at such convenient moment for the defender. If someones fleet is being locked, there is not a single justified reason for a ban that will actually save the fleet. Bans supposed to be punishments for breaching the rules and not rewards or a way out of fleet loss.

    I glad to see this got some attention. I am also glad to see, unlike the normal GF ways, this thread didn't get shut down. Genreally it is rule of thumb to hide the fact the game is played this way because no one wants to address the issue.

    Sadly, what I took away from this though is that some ppl can get away with it and some ppl cannot.

    So wait, if you were friendly with a GO, or a SGO, you can get preferrential treatment. Now I would hazard to say MANY of this already feel this was an issue but it seems to me that this is all to obvious now.

    If you are friendly or take a knee to certain people in this community, you can get further.


    Again, I am glad I quit. The idea that people are doing these things, and then that you might have spent money to play the game just to have someone waste your time and your money with this slick move, no

    No thank you

    Appreciate the back and forth to all involved. Appreciate the information. Sadly, all I heard was confirmation of the things we already knew.

    And seeing how some of us don't "play nice", we tend to get a bad rep with the ppl in charge.

    No wonder some of us cannot get a fair shake.

    This is one of the major reasons after 2 and half years straight, I have to call it quits.

    This is one of the MAJOR reasons I refuse to get on the board and converse with ppl.

    To much of a "club", no respect for the player base or the game.


    Best to you all, be safe