Payment ban is no longer a permanent ban

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    Quote from kewlness

    If the player was banned for another unrelated reason (say for something he did the day before), then the regular rule violation ban will apply.

    What are the odds for that to happen honestly? Even twice on entire org would be to much of a coincidence. There is no real difference between payment ban and any other ban reason at such convenient moment for the defender. If someones fleet is being locked, there is not a single justified reason for a ban that will actually save the fleet. Bans supposed to be punishments for breaching the rules and not rewards or a way out of fleet loss.

    You must have missed this sentence:


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    It is an unfortunate set of circumstances which can happen as we are all human.

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    Quote from kewlness

    If the player was banned for another unrelated reason (say for something he did the day before), then the regular rule violation ban will apply.

    What are the odds for that to happen honestly? Even twice on entire org would be to much of a coincidence. There is no real difference between payment ban and any other ban reason at such convenient moment for the defender. If someones fleet is being locked, there is not a single justified reason for a ban that will actually save the fleet. Bans supposed to be punishments for breaching the rules and not rewards or a way out of fleet loss.

    You must have missed this sentence:


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    It is an unfortunate set of circumstances which can happen as we are all human.

    Nope, I saw it all just didnt quote entire post. Thats why I am asking what are the odds for that to happen? Cause bans are very rare and fleet lockdowns arent happening on a daily basis either. The odds for a ban and a fleet lockdown to happen on the same player at the same time are possible but extremely low, and it seems that possibility is used as an excuse to justify illegal actions some players can get away with.

    Well, if you inherently do not trust the system, I suppose I can see how it would seem like such an excuse.

    I am afraid I cannot help you with such an issue.

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    It is an unfortunate set of circumstances which can happen as we are all human.

    One time a mistake in uni, you can sell that to the players. Twice with same player, in the same uni, and back playing in less then 2 weeks says another. That is not a mistake. There is either a unknown policy to unban players; or another devious reason. Regardless, from concerns raised here, maybe put it in writing and add to the rules that it is perma ban? Sounds like it would satisfy the player base.

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    We got a payment ban in Cygnus, raised a few tickets, the guy was 14 days banned.

    So its not like you said in your first sentence.

    I wouldnt say I inherently dont trust the system but I can tell you that this game system, the more you know it, is harder to trust. Judging by the complaints in posts above it really seems this happens more often than you would normally expect it to happen. I should probably add that I have zero relations to everyone that posted in this thread. Just enjoying it before those expo suck killers of every damn thread come and ruin this one as well. (Not that I love the update btw)

    You cant really expect us players to blindly trust into few volunteers correcting everything that is wrong with this game without questioning.


    None of these ban on locked fleet scenarios happened to me, but I can imagine how would I feel if it did. Early or mid stage on some random target one should barely care but when it comes to long wars between players or alliances this is totally game and moral breaking for the attackers.


    Lets say that all these were just unfortunate set of circumstances. Its still very unfair. Attackers should get something out of it especially if it was a dirty fleetsave that would 100% end up locked and crushed. Defender gets his entire fleet that would be gone otherwise. Why not giving attacker some % of the profit they would make if those unfortunate circumstances didnt happen? Maybe 50% while making it public so everyone knows that happened? And if it happens to the same defender 2nd time then perma ban it cause otherwise people will start faking this to push.

    The guy from Electra admitted what he had done here on the pre merged Quantum board. also on the Electra board ,payment ban ,saved fleet ,tickets in ,2 weeks later back to playing ,then "DONATED" the account to another player .

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    If the game staff banned the guy and saved his fleet by doing that, then it's a GO error and the attackers should be reimbursed.

    and whens the last time that we saw a [public] apology and/or reimbursement upon wrongful ban to either side?

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    kewlness

    What about create a ban pillory where you not write the reason of the ban if it cannot be said? At least for the others people will see why some got banned (if possible to know).


    What about if you start to ban without vmode when someone repeat the same infraction?

    They cannot say they didn't know about it.

    So let's update this thread since A_L_E_X managed to stop himself becoming the new number one crash in Virgo today. The payment ban situation has gone past a joke. People put work in to get screwed out of hits by cheating.


    Why would people not cheat when there are essentially zero consequences? Maybe a2 week ban and keep your 350 bn fleet. What do the attackers who put in all this effort and got screwed out of the hit get? F**K ALL. Significant losses and nothing back from what should have been 140 billion profit.


    I've played this game near enough 15 years and this is it. Everyone should just cheat, because why the f**k not. Bots don't get banned and if you get caught with your panties down then you can just take a payment ban to save your skin and it won't matter. I'm not even blaming the staff. They can only follow what guidance they have and use the tools they have. It goes higher and it's useless.

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    So let's update this thread since A_L_E_X managed to stop himself becoming the new number one crash in Virgo today. The payment ban situation has gone past a joke. People put work in to get screwed out of hits by cheating.


    Why would people not cheat when there are essentially zero consequences? Maybe a2 week ban and keep your 350 bn fleet. What do the attackers who put in all this effort and got screwed out of the hit get? F**K ALL. Significant losses and nothing back from what should have been 140 billion profit.


    I've played this game near enough 15 years and this is it. Everyone should just cheat, because why the f**k not. Bots don't get banned and if you get caught with your panties down then you can just take a payment ban to save your skin and it won't matter. I'm not even blaming the staff. They can only follow what guidance they have and use the tools they have. It goes higher and it's useless.

    I guess using a multi to MD someone isn't classed as cheating though is it? :thumbsup:

    Quit the cheating accusations.


    We won't discuss any bans here and you know that.



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