New Chaos Uni

  • Chaos uni status is usually set by the Local CoMa, rather then the PD, so could be easier to change.


    Chaos unis aren't anything new TBH, they've been around at .Org for 10-12 years. I think I allowed the first one, back when there were no real "special" unis coming out and it was something different then the 1/1 ACS that was common.


    I think Asto Vidatu covered the rest so I wonder go over it again :p


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  • Hey guys, it's okay to discuss this, but bashing Gameforge isn't going to be helpful. Let's try to be civil, yeah? :balloon:

    It's hard to not harshly criticize Game Forge with things they've done to the game in the past couple of years. They don't seem to care to address our "concerns" with statements of any kind and instead they leave the "volunteer" staff to take the brunt of the player's frustration...it's a bit cowardly IMO for paid devs and staff not to address such a large community and their valid concerns.

  • So, you build as many multis as possible, push your main account all the way to a serious amount of points and then idle it for 90 days-it goes into the graveyard uni. You then reactivate the account and move it to any uni you like. Smooth move GF, smooth move /s.

  • when i first started i remember chaos uni was uni 13 on .ba, asto remembers mby

    hahaha yeah..but i think around that time i completely swapped over to .org


    with the only exclusion of playing on ogame.RS [that was later deleted cuz it gave no money haha]

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  • I doubt that uni will be allowed to merge with ''normal'' unis, if they do then those Germans at Gameforge has lost some serious braincells, not like they had already...


    This is PROOF that they suck major D at gameforge, ''oh we suck balls and cant be Fckd at detecting bots and cheaters, here have a uni where we cant be arsed to regulate any of this anymore''...

    This is what I see with this ''chaos universe''

    Is DDOS the server an option to?


    Its no suprise that ogame has turned into a ''side projects'' just for quick cash from DM users, while their real focus is on their other set of games...

    Just to clarify:


    bots do get banned, so do major cheating persons.


    The main exception is bashing, pushing and multi. A chaos universe isn't exempt from all rules.


    If you want to have multis, you have to use different lobbies, and that can be quite challenging. It won't be provided easily for one universe.


    And please watch your language. I also curse like a sailor in private, but not on an open platform.



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  • it just numb to encourage multi , why tf , arent removing bashing and pushing just enough


    so what now, go to gmail, create 10 emails and ofc start with 10 acc , because why not , and try to fill 4 solar system with only your multi accs , in the middle you put one that wil be the throne of your empire, what next , create alliance and gather many pushers for your great cause, so the next step is to find some noob players around and bash them to hell.

    In one year you will have 2Bn point acc and join the gang that was playing 10 years with bash, push and multi rules , and probably put some money for cm in their acc.

    Its just beautiful thinking of our COMA .

    Thank you for helping me end this adiction for playing Ogame

  • So, you build as many multis as possible, push your main account all the way to a serious amount of points and then idle it for 90 days-it goes into the graveyard uni. You then reactivate the account and move it to any uni you like. Smooth move GF, smooth move /s.

    Nice try.

    Merge item rules still apply - so if you are in the top 20 of the chosen target universe you can't merge.


    The idea of building a huge account in the chaos uni and then merging somewhere else to ROFLstomp others isn't going to work.

  • Remember, you have to actually play your multiple accounts.

    In a universe where others can bash you to smithereens.


    Botting your multiple accounts is not allowed.

    This means people are actually quite limited on how many multiple accounts they can have and actively play.

  • I knew I should've let Kewl make the announcement - I promise I don't collect dislikes by choice! :biggrin: But while most of the comments have already been made, I'll throw in my two cents as well and I stress that what follows is my personal opinion.


    I can see some benefits to chaos unis, as it can bring some interesting developments and I admit it will be interesting to see how Volans develops as the weeks and months pass. I've also worked in other communities where bashing limits were increased (Pegasus.us, my old SGO uni, comes immediately to mind, which used to be 12 hits per 24h) and I thought that worked out very well. The rules were still there and still strictly enforced (I made sure of that :huntsman:), but it felt much more relaxed compared to standard unis and it was just generally a nice environment to play in. I've also had some limited experience with full chaos unis, where pretty much none of the rules were enforced and that was... well... chaos! Suffice it to say that particular universe didn't last long.


    Despite the potential benefits though, I'm not a fan of chaos unis, both from a team and a player perspective. While I can't go into the team side of things for DPA reasons, as a player, it just doesn't appeal to me very much. That's partly why if we ever get a new universe in the SE community, where I can decide certain settings, chaos will almost certainly not be one of them. However, this is the road we're going down for EN this time and we'll see where it ultimately takes us. Maybe I'll be eating my words down the line, but I don't expect to.


    Blackbeard above me made an interesting point, about limiting changes to allow bashing and pushing only. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I like that idea. Kinda going back to what I was saying about how Pegasus.us used to be like, I think there could be enough of a relaxation of the rules to still have a fun time, while the real rule-breakers would still be dealt with accordingly. At the very least, I'd expect it to last much longer than full chaos.


    While I wish anyone wanting to play Volans well and good luck, as it stands, it wouldn't be the kind of universe for me. If there was a middle ground, such as Blackbeard's suggestion, I'd be more interested as a player. For now, thanks, but no thanks.

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  • Yes its probably hard to simultaneously play several accounts, but i can just give you one example , open chrome, mozilla, edge , opera , on each one you open diferent loby , same thing on your smartphone, and i listed just most popular browsers. If you have personal computer and smartphone thats 8 acc with just 4 browsers.

    I would be happy if you say that this uni wont be merged with others. It would be fair for many players who respect rules and form time to time pay some money for cm to keep the game alive.

    Its not problem with opening chaos uni , its problem with eventulay mearging it with others

  • so what now, go to gmail, create 10 emails and ofc start with 10 acc , because why not , and try to fill 4 solar system with only your multi accs , in the middle you put one that wil be the throne of your empire,

    You have to realise that if some one was too: ''create 10 accounts'' they will literally dedicate their whole life in no-lifing, micro-managing 10 accounts to make them worth it... 2-4 multis is doable, but still a lot of time to get mines/ defences to deter other bashing raiders etc....

  • so what now, go to gmail, create 10 emails and ofc start with 10 acc , because why not , and try to fill 4 solar system with only your multi accs , in the middle you put one that wil be the throne of your empire,

    You have to realise that if some one was too: ''create 10 accounts'' they will literally dedicate their whole life in no-lifing, micro-managing 10 accounts to make them worth it... 2-4 multis is doable, but still a lot of time to get mines/ defences to deter other bashing raiders etc....

    100% this.

    I mean, given the speed of this universe, many people will find it hard enough to keep up with one account let alone 2-4.

    Yet, blackbeard wants to run with 10?

    And I thought I had no life being a Game Admin...

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  • I mean if we are going to be honest the players doing 10 accs wont be playing them, they will be running bots. Hell even in Zibal post merge, some loon starting filling gal 8 with dozens and dozens of accounts in a 100ss area, running automated expos and farming them, though thankfully they were eventually banned. Just like what happened to Leda, which had possibly the most blatant pushing networks I can conceive and those accounts weren't banned for months. Even then these accounts were not perma-banned. A few week vacation. A slap on the wrist for building a top 20 account in .org by pushing. A favorite of mine are accounts in new unis that are so... active that they dont have defenses, or even have to fs for months on end other than when launched upon.


    I came back to Ogame ~ 2 years ago, and in that time it has become clear botting is a serious epidemic. I know the team will reply and say they take all accusations of cheating seriously but for a time I was in an ally with cheaters and I reported several of them. I had account names, methods, screenshots of conversations that corresponded with bot accs getting hit. Nothing came from my tickets, and most of them are still playing those accounts 1.5 years later in post-merge unis. Knowing I can't get cheaters banned admitting they cheat and how they do it is part of what killed my drive for this game.


    I wont go and call all GOs corrupt, but I am pretty confident some of them turn blind eyes on friends they know from previous unis. I even contacted game admins both current and former about the GOs I thought the evidence was so blatant that the GOs had to be corrupt to not ban the offenders. In the last year alone I wasted countless hours on MMORPG. People lie all the time, but statistics can be pretty damning. They show cases most would call clear pushing, but my ally and I have made tickets to no avail.


    Things like two top accounts, account A and account B are in an alliance

    The uni dies down, acc B goes inactive for a couple months.

    One day acc B leaves the alliance, goes active a day or two then back to v mode

    3 weeks later acc B comes out of V mode and gets crashed by acc A for 10s of billions in profit, we are talking new top 10 or even new number 1 solo hits

    Acc B goes inactive indefinitely, account A never posts their hit despite posting other hits/top tens.


    I spent a ton of time reporting a group of 7 accs in Europa that were pushing a ton using the MP when it first launched. Blatant, back and forth trading that stripped each of the accs bare every day, pushing into rank 50, who eventually became top 10 and then pushed into rank 2. The team didnt care, defended it as GF saying anything via MP is fair game, and that was the stance for almost a year until merge time came.


    Its easy to say GF dropped the ball on 7.0 in a lot of ways, but I think a fair bit of criticism can be laid at the feet of the team and the COMAs and how they handled the situations that arose during 2020. Then the merge came along and suddenly the COMA started banning accounts for abusing MP. I would say it is suuuuper late, but a laudable attempt except for what happened to one of my ally mates. He was banned for MP abuse despite absorbing NO accounts, abusing nothing. The team literally didnt even have proof, they ASKED him to prove how he could have an account so large. He had to prove how he built his account using messages and images from discord conversations stretching back 6 months to prove any MP trades he made actually benefited the smaller players. They were building him ships with the resources he sent them to begin with, from fighting pirates. He sent additional res along with the MP trades so at the end they could queue the same ships again. The team stalled. And stalled. And stalled. And eventually graciously unbanned him and made it seem a huge favor they didnt leave him perma-banned for something he didnt do. All of this despite several of us literally having ticket responses confirming that any trade made through the MP rates was legal.


    It honestly got pretty gross after a while, felt futile to waste my time trying to keep the game clean from the player side. It feels like I spent 10's of hours, maybe 100+ trying to make clear cut tickets for the GOs, for nothing to come from it except a canned response. "We will investigate the situation but due to data protection reasons we won't be able to disclose the results of those investigations." I've read it so many times I don't even have to look the shit up anymore. And when I mean nothing, I mean nothing. I think I have gotten 4-5 players banned for about 2 weeks each time, maybe 10 times in total.


    So now to come here to the forum after being V mode for ~6 weeks and see a post on a 'Chaos' uni

    Knowing that the last universe that did this eventually merged with honest players...

    It feels like GF has even given up pretending they try to fight pushing/multis etc.

    Another nail in my coffin, I doubt I will ever return in any serious capacity.

    Its a shame, its a fun game but the thing that really keeps me going is the people I play with, and all of our motivations have steadily declined along with the state of the game.

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  • If you want to have multis, you have to use different lobbies, and that can be quite challenging. It won't be provided easily for one universe.

    Thank you for explaining stuff

    can you tell us will players be allowed to play the lobbys on the same PC/IP all at the same time



    as for me, when i first read the annoncement the fire spaked in me and i already started planing my RL and ingame tactics and as more time pases the fire seems to be getting smaller and probably i will not play :D

    but sounds fun for a party of 3-4 friends to go and try to crush others with multys, if you have enough free time to do so

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  • When I see an announcement like this, I say why not, could be fun, good initiative to create some good rivalries and stories................ IF AND ONLY IF the game was in a controlled, healthy place right now..

    Would legitimately consider it with a group of friends if I trusted the system and the rules to be respected. (fair game)


    At the moment GOs are already overwhelmed with cheating investigations, or at least should be. Not sure if you guys need more work on that side of things.

    Can not even imagine the amount of tickets you will get for cheating accusations from this Server justified or not.


    I tend to join some of the post above, it feels like GF is giving up on cheaters and the bots'wave... or they just outsmart us and this server is designed to be a honey pot :crazy: