Server Setting Changes Discussion for Dorado

    Server setting changes

    Well, we're at that point where we need to discuss changing the server settings...


    As an OG of Donato 'Nam I think most people know where I stand, I don't want any changes and I will vote against all and any. We're the only true 1x speed legacy universe left on the server and we should keep it that way. I know a lot of people had hoped to merge here for the 1x fleet settings in hopes they could vote to change the ECO and RES settings but if those two settings were important to you then you should have gone to a speed uni and not Dorado. And yes, I know someone is going to say something about how there wouldn't be a Dorado if someone hadn't started a poll, but there were multiple conversations taking place with admins that initiated that change...it wasn't just one person fighting to keep Dorado alive pre-merge. A change in ECO now would be disastrous to the lower-ranked players...as higher-ranked players ECO would be at more of an advantage, and all those gas-hungry fleets that have been pretty much stagnant because of high fuel costs would now have more disposable fuel to do more damage. No one ever said the game was supposed to be easy and this will make the game much easier for higher ranked players with higher ECO than your "average" player.






    Research speed could go to 4x. All the rest should remain same.


    But if Eco speed would get increased, then deut consuption should increase as well. For example, if eco speed increases to 4x, then deut consuption should increase to 8x.

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    Research speed could go to 4x. All the rest should remain same.


    But if Eco speed would get increased, then deut consuption should increase as well. For example, if eco speed increases to 4x, then deut consuption should increase to 8x.

    Is this guy stupid ? Its already hard sometimes to fly at a 1x deut consumtion, i cant image a 8x. at that ratio, ogame can delete fleets and deuterium from the game :rofl:

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    Quote from Valeyard

    Research speed could go to 4x. All the rest should remain same.


    But if Eco speed would get increased, then deut consuption should increase as well. For example, if eco speed increases to 4x, then deut consuption should increase to 8x.

    Is this guy stupid ? Its already hard sometimes to fly at a 1x deut consumtion, i cant image a 8x. at that ratio, ogame can delete fleets and deuterium from the game :rofl:

    No, he's not. He's actually one of the smartest people I know.


    Being hard to fly at 1x is the point...and it should be hard and deut costs should be a liability for determining whether we launch or not. We don't want to make it easier to fly these large fleets due to higher ECO or reduced deut consumption because then the lower-ranked (and especially the original inhabitants) would be at a severe disadvantage. If I was making more deut and spending less of it to fly, I'd be smashing the crap out of turtles for a profit and even more people would be quitting. I'd be launching on probe and go a lot more if fuel costs weren't a concern. As it is now, it's a risk that helps to keep some semblance of balance in the uni.


    And, yes...I have one of the larger fleets in this uni and the deut costs are very high and there are some hits I've ignored because the margins after taking fuel costs for the fleet and the REC were slim to none. Unlike some players in this uni, I play for profit...I don't bash people for the sake of bashing to force them into vmode to quit.

    Made this account here just to log in and say NO. Dorado is the only x1 speeds server. and should be kept that way.
    Whoever wants higher ecco can always go start on a new server, there are alot of those high eco out there.

    there are many other reasons why server should stay x1 on all . but i am not gonna write a book right now a bout it.


    GL & HF

    Agree with x1 x1 x1. Fleet speed is critical and that's probably one of the main reasons why a lot of people are playing here. The rest (eco & research) in my personal opinion is less critical but fleet speed is the key.


    How about other settings like lowering deut consumption? Say to 0,7?

    Or allowing probe storage?

    Is DiDF considered? I know a lot of people will be against that but curious about the overall opinion.


    Also I heard there are merges happening on other servers - a big one on the Polish server and I believe in Turkey and some other countries. Wondering if any merges are going to affect Dorado any time soon and how that aligns with changing the server settings that we are discussing now.

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    Quote from Valeyard

    Research speed could go to 4x. All the rest should remain same.


    But if Eco speed would get increased, then deut consuption should increase as well. For example, if eco speed increases to 4x, then deut consuption should increase to 8x.

    Is this guy stupid ? Its already hard sometimes to fly at a 1x deut consumtion, i cant image a 8x. at that ratio, ogame can delete fleets and deuterium from the game :rofl:

    I could go name calling as well and ask how come you don't understand how eco speed and deut consumption are tied together. As Cathedral nicely explained, eco speed and deut consumption together determine how an uni behaves. If you have high eco speed and low deut consumption, like 4x eco speed and and 0.5 deut consumption, that uni is no longer a miner uni it becomes a fleeter uni, as it is so easy to field a large fleet and fly it around. So for a balanced uni, eco speed and deut consuption should be same. Even more so for a miner uni. Dorado is a balanced uni. So deut consuption and eco speed should remain tied together. And as was pointed above, disrupting the balance of eco speed and deut consuption would influence the line between profitabilty and loss. That would cause more people getting bashed, since it would be easier to profit. Bottom line would be even more people quitting. We should all understand, that it's only a game that is played by people for various reasons and the most appauling thing somebody can do, is bash somebody to vmode and quitting.

    I do agree, my suggestion of 8x deut consumption was provocative. But then again, it did not warrant the response I got from you.



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    How about other settings like lowering deut consumption? Say to 0,7?

    Or allowing probe storage?

    Is DiDF considered? I know a lot of people will be against that but curious about the overall opinion.

    About deut consumption, see Cathedral and my answer above.

    Probe storage: that would just encourage and benefit people that spend 24/7 on playing, with virtually no real life. Not something that I would agree with.

    DiDF: Takes the point out of defence. It is true, that you can allways build a defence large enough to withstand even DiDF, and I sure dislike seeing the Dorado turtles on those occasion when I look around to use the few ships I have, but getting a DiDF would severly influence quite some players in Dorado, that are using defence to keep their production and resources safe. Invariably that would lead to even more people quitting. Even tho people with ships mostly severly dislike people with defence, building a turtle is a valid playstyle and taking that playstyle away from somebody by implemeting DiDF is not fair.

    higher eco.. doesnt have to be 7x eco, but 3-4x would be ok.

    at this point costs are too high even for just basic things like transporting and fsing and i dont even have a large fleet. my total production barely covers my fs cost.


    all you miners that vote against it, nothing would really change with higher eco and you would benefit aswell, everyone is already turtled up, df is low so most of you would remain unprofitable. player count is low anyway, maybe few people would come out of v mode but it would make everything easier.


    i have been in v mode since the merge and i went up i think by 8 places in stats not playing at all..

    "When we are good they never remember, when we are bad they never forget."

    Well If we do not have a change to server settings my account will be sitting in vmode forever. I will not play Dorado unless eco and research has changed to 2x or 4x


    OH Galatea how I miss playing there if only we were not forced into a merge I would still be there 1x 4x 4x


    If you do not want to have 2x or 4x eco and research change your % on your mines and you will have your 1x eco at the very least and as for research well delay your research build for a further 3 weeks or more and don't bother with boosters or 25% off research events and don't bother with commanders staff then you will be same old 1x 1x 1x uni.


    lets be honest I bet most of you will use the events,rewards, commanding staff and boosters to get your eco and research finished we all do :) and some will use DM to finish it be it paid or found


    can we have a vote

    Eco 4x or 6x

    Research 6x or 12x

    + 30 fields

    50% deut consumption

    70% df

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    Many people were forced to come to Dorado in the last merger as it was the only remaining option.

    Before the merger there were 29 active players.

    After the merger there were over 420 active.

    Now there are 272 !


    Nobody is asking for a speed change.


    Many people are hanging on waiting for a spec change or another merger. With no spec change I suspect many will call it a day. I for one will, hoping at some point the graveyard option will work.


    I would favour x4 or x6 econ and x12 or x14 research with perhaps a small adjustment to duet consumption or an increase in DF.


    Anyone wishing to live in a x1 x1 x1 uni can easily achieve that by adjusting power and reducing IRN lvls or deleting a few research lab lvls.

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    Waiting for a spec change since the merge, came from Galatea that was a great Uni to play!

    Will be in favor for maintaining speed and upgrading Eco and Res.

    An increase on planet fields would be great!

    As for deut consumption and df, they don't make much difference to me but I understand they are significant to players that have big fleets and try to attack other players.

    In the end i hope we can make Dorado a little bit more enjoyable and defiant to play.

    There were multiple choices pre-merge. People chose 1x fleet yet complain about ECO, Research, Deut consumption, etc...if those multiple settings were so important to them then they should have chosen those over the 1x fleet then instead of trying to change Dorado. And no one is going to hamper their progress by dropping their resource production or deconstructing labs, that's a strawman argument.


    If your fleets are too expensive to fly or move, then scrap them to get them to a point where they are economical for you, don't try to change the settings to meet your personal needs...it's like changing the rules of a board game mid-game because you're losing.


    I'm old school, I prefer the classic 1x the way the game was meant to be played...if people want speed then they should go play one of the oGame clones where speeds are in excess of x100. People complain about the lack of players these days, but it's the players that do that by not committing to a universe and running off and joining a new server every time one pops up and perpetuating the cycle.


    If players truly wanted to save unis and maintain a player base they'd set the speed settings based on points or ranks, decreasing the speed settings the higher ranked or higher points you make so that the points disparity between high ranked and low ranked wouldn't be as dramatic as they usually are...I suggested that on the suggestion forum but it didn't catch much traction.


    I doubt we'll see a working graveyard or merge token...if history teaches us anything with oGame is that if they can't fix something within a few months they'll abandon it.

    keep in mind that some of us came from mensa which was also a 1x fleet uni and dorado was the only 1x option in the merge...


    Targets: Bellatrix (154), Fenrir (158), Dorado (156)

    these were the options, bella 3x and fenrir 6x fleet speed, what would you have chosen? not sleeping or having moons down every night? no thank you..


    the possibility of one day increasing the eco is the only reason why i still have an account in dorado..


    multiple unis merged here with different specs, we dont need something completely different, but a tiny compromise in eco, what would be so bad?

    "When we are good they never remember, when we are bad they never forget."

    Exactly, the like 5-6 1x fleet unis had to chose horrible settings and 1x fleet or picking a uni that is at a minimum 3x faster. No brainer there.


    Also not sure why the people who bought accounts that came from speed unis after the merge are complaining about eco and research speed