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Quote from taytetu

economy x8 deuterio 0.75???.... this changes are pro fleeters.... ok but 30% debris, is a good deal.

Thing is, our current settings favour the other uni's.....merge is going to happen one way or another. We can either be on par, or fall further behind. Like it or not, the other servers are already going 8x,14, and ,75 or even .5 duet. Not seeing the big picture is only going to put everyone at a disadvantage. If you think you are getting bashed/crashed now, wait until next merge when our uni is 12.5% behind all of the others. We will be targets to more players instead of equals.

The last setting changes favoured the miners, these next ones will help everyone. Unless we all want to give GF DM for insta a tech that takes 42 months.....30% DF will not happen. People get hit or bashed for profit, alliance war/fight or for bad manners. Removal of bad manners and profit takes away the vast margin of bashes.

Overall it is nice to read all of these comments though.....we may not agree to everything, but sounds like everyone agrees there needs to be improvements/changes to our uni.

my $.02

i don't respect sats bashing game style. after such changes, profits for such players will increase by 25%:

profit before changes from daily income

https://prnt.sc/1ajb5pv

and after

https://prnt.sc/1ajbubc

and there are also allegations of inactive bot farming.

so I don't see how such changes are good for miners.

Quote from letssled

The last setting changes favoured the miners, these next ones will help everyone.

While I disagree with the first part of this statement because the last vote didn't even pass. Previous votes only increased eco and planet sizes, its not as if debris was decreased or deut cost increased, so really its wrong to say it just favoured miners.

Hower you are right on the second part, we need to look forward instead of back. Looking through the settings many of the other uni's already have increased eco and research speeds over what we have. I think therefore it is necessary to up it to be competitive. Don't get me wrong, I would love to play an old school uni without silly settings, but seems gameforge have gone beyond that.

As for the deut, that has always been a contentious issue, it will help fleeters a lot, but the increased eco will favour the big miners more, so I guess its a balancing act.

Quote from bomberis

so I don't see how such changes are good for miners.

i think that this is actually opinion of most silent miners

youre just the one who dares to say the truth

but i think youre looking at it narrowly

last few changes were good for miners mostly

but the thing (most of us) are asking for

is to be 3 questions in 1 single vote

so if you, as a miner, would like x8 eco instead of x7 (heck, id love that)
you have to "compromise" and accept slightly less deut usage

p.s..the 2mil difference for ppl who have 700k LFs to send to raid multiple planets

dont care about 2mil deut by a long shot

the game is already easy for the oldest players(fleeters) they can rebuild quickly, but those in the middle and below cant, with 30% debris it will make the game more interesting, everyone will think twince before attacking and itwill be more difficult to build a huge fleet..... or can raise tje cost of deut to 1.5 is also valid.

and dont forget the genaral class for those who want to spend less deut, many player want thing faster and easier, like scripts (some allowed) other are cheaters nothing more.

in the end the game loses senses

Tayetu, while I agree with a lot of what you are saying, on purely a balance perspective, the chance of reducing debris fields is extremely low. Myself and some other miners tried to reduce it to 60% years ago, even that failed.

Unfortunately the mechanics of ogame are inherently unbalanced. I think changes to the settings won't change that. However if we can have a vote that benefits the majority of players and not just a few fleeters then it is beneficial. I think that's also why previous votes have been failing because a few top players have pushed settings they want without agreeing it with the majority of the player base. This time around I am ok with the suggested settings as I don't believe it will upset the balance too much. As with most things in ogame the biggest players will probably benefit most, however there is benefit for miners, fleeter and newer players. The research boost should help players get astro quicker and balance things out tech wise (at least a bit)

Quote from taytetu

the game is already easy for the oldest players(fleeters) they can rebuild quickly, but those in the middle and below cant, with 30% debris it will make the game more interesting, everyone will think twince before attacking and itwill be more difficult to build a huge fleet..... or can raise tje cost of deut to 1.5 is also valid.

and dont forget the genaral class for those who want to spend less deut, many player want thing faster and easier, like scripts (some allowed) other are cheaters nothing more.

in the end the game loses senses

you`d think that those who are on the top have always been there

but most of us havent..ive taken over this account 8 years ago

it was top80 with 11,4mil points..now its standing on 1,6bn

hard work pays off [so does scrapping lel]

these are just some small needed tweaks

so that we stand on an even ground when a merge happens

otherwise all of us, including the "gifted" top ppl, will be falling down a long way

Quote from bomberis

i don't respect sats bashing game style. after such changes, profits for such players will increase by 25%:

profit before changes from daily income

https://prnt.sc/1ajb5pv

and after

https://prnt.sc/1ajbubc

and there are also allegations of inactive bot farming.

so I don't see how such changes are good for miners.

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This is off topic, but Bomberis.....honestly IMO you don't have enough defence for a 7x uni. You especially need more HL if you are going with that style of sim. IMO, increase your HL to 25,000 and your PT to 2000 or even better 3000. Also, try and reduce your sat count to around 1000. And lastly......your account whether it was you or previous owner, obviously hit a lot of lower accounts as your a bandit. Your plunder level is 25% higher because of that, that alone makes you 25% more profitable then lets say me, or a lot of other accounts on that reason alone. Try attacking some honourable accounts to correct that.

IF I were to fleet, even under our current settings, I will still launch at you. You are very profitable for almost no losses......10 raids at 14kk profit is a huge boost per day. Hope you find this helpful. If it were me I would try and attack some honorable targets that get you some honor points and reduce your plunder level to 50%. Build some more solar plants, when building planets only choose planets 200+ fields

and increase def to:

75,000 rockets

50,000 llasers

25,000 HL

3,000 PT

You are in vmode, so I can't probe you to do any sims, but feel free to ask me or others ingame for some help if you want....letssled in game. I will send you some res too, if needed.

In regards to helping miners....you can launch your oodles of lcargo at the inactives, 20 raids should net you 20kk res for very little effort and zero risk. That is an easy way to build defence up too....just launch your cargos at inactives until your defence has built u

Quote from taytetu

the game is already easy for the oldest players(fleeters) they can rebuild quickly, but those in the middle and below cant, with 30% debris it will make the game more interesting, everyone will think twince before attacking and itwill be more difficult to build a huge fleet..... or can raise tje cost of deut to 1.5 is also valid.

and dont forget the genaral class for those who want to spend less deut, many player want thing faster and easier, like scripts (some allowed) other are cheaters nothing more.

in the end the game loses senses

Taytetu.....to clarify, I do not have a huge fleet. But if I lost my 125 billion worth of fleet, I wouldn't bother trying to rebuild it....it would take over a year. I can only fathom a guess at the many years it would take for the top/elite fleeters in the uni to rebuild fully, like song, arcane, army, inprotest and blitz. I don't think they could in a reasonable amount of time. However, 8x econo would sure allow a miner to rebuild quickly after a crash....just sats and lcargos. I watched Pariah do some pretty exemplary rebuilds and was back at the top in record time.

30% wouldn't really make anyone think twice......it always comes down to "do I make more then I lose". It sounds like you want to be unprofitable for less effort. Miners already get 70% of there defence rebuilt for essentially no effort. What do fleeters get 16%. Any way, not arguing with you, glad you responded I do like to hear other sides. I am/was a ripper.....so you could go to duet +10X and I would still make profit with my rips.

Quote from Arturius

While I disagree with the first part of this statement because the last vote didn't even pass. Previous votes only increased eco and planet sizes, its not as if debris was decreased or deut cost increased, so really its wrong to say it just favoured miners.

To clarify, I said the changes(2x to 7x econo), not the failed vote. We went from 2x to 6x and then to 7x ecnono and larger planet sizes.

where is that vote?

piink If I may suggest the question as the last time it wasn't very clear. And it needs to be ONE question, not a multiple or we are wasting everyone's time.

My suggestion on phrasing:

"Do you agree to change VEGA settings to:

8x econo

16x research

.75x duet

Yes or No"

I think that would be straight forward IMO.

16x research, but yeah the research option confused a lot of people with the way it was set out.

When it said

Research : eco speed or 14x, that meant a lot of people voted the wrong thing accidentally, which needs to be avoided this time.

Quote from letssled

0% wouldn't really make anyone think twice......it always comes down to "do I make more then I lose". It sounds like you want to be unprofitable for less effort. Miners already get 70% of there defence rebuilt for essentially no effort. What do fleeters get 16%. Any way, not arguing with you, glad you responded I do like to hear other sides. I am/was a ripper.....so you could go to duet +10X and I would still make profit with my rips.

ok, so new propusal 30% of debris and the plasma cannon more powerfull, idont know how to say it (3 plasmas kill one death star for example) for me works, i want defence more power full -.- is no bad idea

there are many proposals. each player watns something in particular, it would be fair that ogame dont ask the players and they put their own ideas based on their own studies

Tayetu what you are suggesting is game mechanics with the plasma turrets, you can put suggestions down in the suggestions threads and sometimes they might get listened to by gameforge. For instance I am going to take credit for the Hamill Manoeuvre that the general class has, I suggested that years ago, was a nice surprise to see it appear.

But the point we have here is with our current settings we are behind all the other older uni's on eco, they all have 8x. We are also behind most on research rate, so we are talking about bringing those to a level to match the other uni's.

As far as the deut reduction, I have mixed feelings, it will benefit me a bit, but not as much as some, but if its the only way to get an agreement with everyone I will vote for it.

piink just wondering if we can get that poll going?

My suggestion on phrasing(needs to be one question):

"Do you agree to change VEGA settings to:

8x econo

16x research

.75x duet

Yes or No"

Your poll is up.

It will be open till 12th of August in the morning.

Quote from piink

Your poll is up.

It will be open till 12th of August in the morning.

Where's the poll?

Ingame? How does it look like?

There were some requests from .hr and .ba communities regarding server changes but I guess our COMA never bothered to open the poll up.

Instead, votes were hand-picked from a forum thread poll lol.

Just saw the ingame notification and voted.