OGame.org and merges

    Maybe you need a universe for fat cats who has not interest of the game itself bar themselves and Uni's for the rest where they play the game how it's meant to be played. I don't like DM but they need it to make money ( don't let it rule the game) but keep on opening new Uni's is not going to solve your issues and then solve the bug fixes as well and that stops players from playing

    Please use the thread to give your general feedback about merges, you can state if you like merges, if you hate them or how would you run them, but don't off topic or we will need to bring the warn/ban hammer :)

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    Please use the thread to give your general feedback about merges, you can state if you like merges, if you hate them or how would you run them, but don't off topic or we will need to bring the warn/ban hammer :)

    Are we able to get any answers to some of the later questions asked on this thread? There were multiple posts about Dorado residents including my own post which have gone unanswered regarding merges. Multiple posts have asked if there would be a poll here regarding merges. Other posts have mentioned the general lack of forum users and how this thread will not get to many ingame players prior to any implementation. Are there any answers regarding that situation? Finally does any of this even matter or are we going to repeat history? Previous GF history has these threads produced as a formality to cover up decisions that are already made and only need the corporation to feign asking for community input. Is this another of those times?


    Again, I will ask again, can someone address the questions from Dorado, and is there any way to do a poll again like what used to happen? Thanks!

    boyoes123 Good suggestion, maybe put the top 75 0r 100 .ORG accounts into a "Premier Uni" - let them vote on the spec when they get there.


    Maybe then they will understand how the rest of us felt when they started arriving in unis where they were untouchable.

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    Please use the thread to give your general feedback about merges, you can state if you like merges, if you hate them or how would you run them, but don't off topic or we will need to bring the warn/ban hammer :)

    Maybe start answering questions or get someone who can. If we are gonna pay for DM occasionally the least you can do is answer questions in a thread you all started by asking us for our input then ghosting us when we do.

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    Please use the thread to give your general feedback about merges, you can state if you like merges, if you hate them or how would you run them, but don't off topic or we will need to bring the warn/ban hammer :)

    Are we able to get any answers to some of the later questions asked on this thread? There were multiple posts about Dorado residents including my own post which have gone unanswered regarding merges. Multiple posts have asked if there would be a poll here regarding merges. Other posts have mentioned the general lack of forum users and how this thread will not get to many ingame players prior to any implementation. Are there any answers regarding that situation? Finally does any of this even matter or are we going to repeat history? Previous GF history has these threads produced as a formality to cover up decisions that are already made and only need the corporation to feign asking for community input. Is this another of those times?


    Again, I will ask again, can someone address the questions from Dorado, and is there any way to do a poll again like what used to happen? Thanks!


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    Please use the thread to give your general feedback about merges, you can state if you like merges, if you hate them or how would you run them, but don't off topic or we will need to bring the warn/ban hammer :)

    Maybe start answering questions or get someone who can. If we are gonna pay for DM occasionally the least you can do is answer questions in a thread you all started by asking us for our input then ghosting us when we do.

    The point with this thread is to make a discussion between players, so the community can suggest different ways to perform the merge, including a merge plan with specific


    We've been checking the thread and gathering the feedback we received. Some players already gave specific plans and that helped a lot for us. We didn't want to interfere too much so everyone feels free to discuss suggest new stuff without a final 'yes' or 'no' from the team side.


    Anyway, I'll get the questions you refer and I'll answer everything I have a reply for.

    i will help out with that here is my list


    1. is U1 - oldest universe staying as target and if so - what about players who wish to leave? having them wait 60days for graveyard move it is unfair as all those from target unis dont have to wait - giving target players tickets to merge without delay seems fair for all

    2. will Dorado remain as target universe preserving all 1 speed, or its becoming exodus therefore removing only legacy setting uni from org, if thats the case can Dorado players merge with comunities outside org - again without graveyard merge ? - that seems fair for all

    3. how are you approaching the fact that many of players play multiple accounts across multiple universes - forcing to essentially give up account that you worked on and spend DM on seems not very sound

    4. why are merges limited to .ORG only there is very small player base across all comunities, when will decision come to join everyone together and bring life to the game all over again, with all of us competing on international server - as you pointed out total accounts per merge 2106 across 3/4 universes some of those are doubles - we used to have more accounts in single uni, using those numbers as base across 10comunities wouldnt it make more sense and bring 20k accounts across 5-6 servers and get the game back to former glory ?


    thats all i got feel free to answer in colors :)

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    It is technically possible but we would like to keep it as it's the initial server of the community.

    If i'm not mistaken Danimanza, I think he's asking if U1 players can also be part of the merge by merging to a different universe? Like can U1 player got to the 2x universe during merge or are they simply a target universe?


    I like your idea better, just 3 targets universes 1x, 2x and 4x/5x.

    A universe can't be exodus and target at the same time, so if it's target, they can't choose another target to be moved. Only exodus players are able to migrate.


    That's why we suggested to put every universe as exodus and create new targets, except for the uni1 case to keep our first and older universe alive, and also, because most of the uni1 players selected that universe in the previous merges to make sure they're playing on the original server of the community.


    When we have 50 servers we can have servers from all possible settings combined (one without ACS, some of them with DF to defense enabled, one per war speed, one per holding speed, etc), but if we are going to have 3 servers, we can't have all kind of servers


    Anyway, it's better to get, for example, 1 active universe with 500 active players than 10 universes with 100 active players per universe, even if we would have half of the accounts, we would get 1 funny and active server instead of 10 dead servers...


    And yes, merges always make that some players leave, specially when they join an active servers and they are crashed because they used to play a dead universe where they are not even spied frequently. But many of them also stays, keep playing and try to grow up in the highscore to get the same rank they had in the exodus universe.


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    when theres no 1x everything uni anymore in .org will we at least be permitted to merge into uni 1.de (1x everything) even though our biggest ally member would hit currently rank 4 in uni1.de without crashing the fleet into a wall but this shouldnt be a problem really, its not like we have a trillion points more then uni1de players and a proper acs would easily eradicate even our highest ally member with ease.


    would be really nice to get an answer on that.

    It is technically possible to put targets from other communities, but we have 2 problems here


    A) The other community need to agree that we put them as a target (we don't even know about his merge plan yet, and it needs to fit, because we can not put a target

    B) Usually we put target universes on other communities in cases of little communities that are not able to get a single active universe by themselves (for example when we merged Finland, Sweden universes to UK target universes). It's not usual that we combine universes from one big community to another (even if DE is bigger than UK, it's not that big different than FI/SE with UK).

    C) If we put Uni1.DE as target, you will still need to play with another players with more than double points than you (coming from our own merge or from DE merge...), and that seems to be an issue for some players from Dorado (not sure if you were on that group, please consider that this reply is for all players).


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    Those numbers for total players, do you account for how many are playing across servers and will be lost? Do you track that? And sure it looks great to have 900 active players, but that number is likely to drop down to the current levels before long, for a variety of reasons already stated. Then what? Introduce LFs to uni 1 and the others, and do this process one more time? Merge Vega and the other LF unis into whatever you are creating now, I would guess. Whats the end game here?

    Yes, it's considered.


    As already said, we can't consider a competitive universe when the numbers are down and down, so it's better to have 1 server with 500 active players than 10 servers with 100 active players. Also, the players that leave the universe, mostlikely join another universe younger, so activity that gets out, gets in anyway.


    Also, the high ranked players that usually owned the exodus servers, need to invest more time (and probably DM) to compete between them to reach the ownership of new target universe. This leads to activity, more big battles, and a competitive universe where we had 0 active universes before the merge.


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    I really don't understand why the deut consumption increases with speed, as in fact a high speed uni uses more deut, and attacks more than lower speeds unis. If you want to have the miners back, go ahead, I will manage anyhow, but honestly this does not make sense at all.


    A 3 target uni would be better in my opinion, but please try to use common sense regarding Uni 1 and deut consumption.

    It's the opposite. % is to reduce, not to increase deuterium. So if your uni is 50% deut, you need to invest half of the deuterium than if we don't enable the option (so deut is 100%).


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    I agree with Cathedral that Dorado should be left alone. It should remain a target uni untouched just as uni 1. If it does need to be eliminated, Prongs  Danimanza what would be the possibility those players could merge to uni 1 of ogame.de? Thanks and GL with these merges.


    As a general note, most of us really do not want another merge and this thread basically guarantees that another merge will be happening. Please do recognize that you will lose more active players in the process just like what has previously happened. The merges have a cycle: merge, more players are active because some came out of v-mode to merge or hit new targets, 1-2 months later those numbers take a nose dive. Throw in a whale or two in there and you can consider the uni done because those accounts are spending a ton of money, but wrecking the game which does not create a challenge, but a constant David vs Goliath situation which is rarely won by David.

    I already answered the Dorado question on previous quote.


    About merges, we can do them soon or later, but they need to be done sometime. We can't let universes to get less and less active players until only 50 players are playing (and most of them probably allies between them). The way we force that everyone goes to action is going on with merges.


    Yes, after this round, we would keep doing rounds, but just notice that it takes one or two years from one round to another... so we would get more universes until that, and the oldest would be ready for a new merge.


    As I said, it's not mandatory to make merges now. Actually, we won't make them NOW, they'll happen on 2023, but we are discusing now to have time to get the feedback and be ready to design a plan when we need to do it.


    No merges forever is just utopian, as soon or later the number of active players would go to 0.


    I think already answered your topic about deuterium previously.


    I'd just like to highlight this sentence, because some people on this topic are just too afraid.


    "Those that are afraid of whales and DM maybe should rethink there strategy as it is possible to survive amongst them, doesn't matter how big they are"


    I might include that sentence on my board signature :)


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    Life forms for all it seems. First a series of unis for the current non-LF unis to merge into (or not for uni 1), then the introduction of LFs to those unis (including uni 1), and finally Vega and the others are blended into this, probably as an exodus. Because why would GF care? Condensing all of Ogame en to a few more manageable unis, everyone with LFs, and whatever settings emerge from this thread...

    When I merged into Vega I had no idea LFs were going to be introduced, like most players I never looked at the forum. Did players get a say in Life Forms? Or was it like this new way to merge?

    Lifeforms are a new feature that GF developed so they won't waste time and money to develope new features for the game and never implement them. They will be obviously implemented soon or later.


    About merge, we are looking for feedback to get the best way to make the merges. It will probably impossible to get everyone happy for them, but at least the people who suggest the plan we finally implement (or a similar one) will like it.

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    Prongs doesn't care. We can see that when he makes irresponsible "just teasing" jokes about whales ruining unis like Dorado and is only concerned about how he himself plays the game and not others.

    I had to go back to find that...ugh.

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    ...to have the option to avoid whales ([teasing]for the more cautious ones that are afraid of a good challenge[/teasing])

    Yeah, pretty insensitive and pathetic joke there Prongs, especially when you let whales into unis (like Dorado) that can completely overpower the entire combined weight of a uni and sends the majority of the population into v mode because they have no hope whatsoever of competing with them. And as an added bonus, they farm free relos by going back and forth between the graveyard and other unis. You know there is an issue with whales but all you can do is make jokes about it at the player's expense.

    So, some of the player said that it was really unfair to receive people from the graveyard and they will stop playing because of that... probably some of them did for that reason, but others leave for other reasons and most of them still playing the universe.


    Merges are a real thing and Dorado can't be out of merges forever. We can have special universes when we have 50 universes (for example one legacy server as Dorado, some special servers like Defense to DF, no ACS universe, etc), but soon or later it's time to put those universes into the standards targets.


    Another benefit of this will be that if you go to uni1, you will get all legacy settings except for economy x8, that will allow you to get more resources and grow faster, so you are able to fight versus the big players that can arrive from graveyard (or from exodus servers when a merge is released).


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    Surely any intervention by GF should be aimed at attracting new players and getting old players back, instead it continues to fuel the decline.


    The re-design drove a lot away, the constant mergers and new unis contributed to the decline. There are now close to 300.000 (yes, three hundred thousand) accounts in the graveyard and only 2500 active accounts in .ORG. That alone speaks volumes about GF strategy, unless of course it is their intention to do away with .ORG. So be careful what you wish for.


    ProngsOnly 31 people have contributed to this thread out of over 2500 accounts and many are against the proposal - are the others aware of what is going to happen. Will they be made aware? Will there be a vote, and if so will there be a "no mergers" option?

    We are on boards and everyone is free to join and write their opinion. If they don't, we can't do much about it.


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    Please use the thread to give your general feedback about merges, you can state if you like merges, if you hate them or how would you run them, but don't off topic or we will need to bring the warn/ban hammer :)

    Are we able to get any answers to some of the later questions asked on this thread? There were multiple posts about Dorado residents including my own post which have gone unanswered regarding merges. Multiple posts have asked if there would be a poll here regarding merges. Other posts have mentioned the general lack of forum users and how this thread will not get to many ingame players prior to any implementation. Are there any answers regarding that situation? Finally does any of this even matter or are we going to repeat history? Previous GF history has these threads produced as a formality to cover up decisions that are already made and only need the corporation to feign asking for community input. Is this another of those times?


    Again, I will ask again, can someone address the questions from Dorado, and is there any way to do a poll again like what used to happen? Thanks!


    About Dorado questions, I answered them in previous quotes.


    About poll question, what do you mean with a poll? Can you put an example?


    Because we make polls for example when a universe requests a server setting, for example is an universe has 50% DF and request to increase 70% DF, we put an igame poll to let them choose keep 50% or change it to 70%, but in case of merges, what would be the topic of the poll and the possible choices?


    And also, keep in mind that we need a full plan for the community, so we would need to make the same poll on ALL universes with the same choices, we can't go uni to uni with a poll to ask if they want to be exodus or target, because if everyone wants to be target, we would not get exodus...


    1. A universe can be exodus or target, but not both. It's how merges work.

    If it's decided to be target, they won't be able to get out and we won't move them manually via ticket, that's a manual process and it takes time, it can't be "fast", as we can't attend 100 requests

    We can still put it as exodus and create a x1 target but usually players from uni1 server (not only on this community but all old communities), want to keep playing on uni1 as it's the oldest server of the community.


    2. Already answered in previous post to similar question, please let me know if have more questions.


    3. We make more than 1 targets for that. If you have 3 accounts, you can send one account to each target. You can also gift one of the smallers to a friend so he can play with you in the universe you prefer. or you can leave it inactive so it moves to graveyard and pick a new server you like in the future.


    4. I am open to receive servers from other communities that want to put UK as target, but it's not easy to coordinate everything. It was done in the past with Finland , Sweden and other countries, that put all universes as exodus and the targets were UK universes, but some of the communities prefer to keep alive than become exodus.

    thanks for taking the time to respond, that was walls of txt to read, appreciated

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    I also thank you for responding, it is much appreciated. Even though Vega is not a part of this round I would ask you to keep in mind that creating a new blank slate universe would be ideal for Vega as well. Rather than forcing Vega to be an exodus to one of the new unis you are likely to create this round. Or perhaps introduce LFs to all the non LF unis first. THEN create the new fresh start unis for all existing unis to start out at the same point. It is only fair.

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    I also thank you for responding, it is much appreciated. Even though Vega is not a part of this round I would ask you to keep in mind that creating a new blank slate universe would be ideal for Vega as well. Rather than forcing Vega to be an exodus to one of the new unis you are likely to create this round. Or perhaps introduce LFs to all the non LF unis first. THEN create the new fresh start unis for all existing unis to start out at the same point. It is only fair.

    Its not possible to enable LF on all servers until we receive a fix to all the bugs (specially performance bugs) that we discovered when enabled LF on old servers.


    When all servers get the LF, we can make a new merge to include Vega (and the rest of LF servers that become enough older at that point).


    When this occur, it can be created a new targets or use the new targets that we are creating now. That's something to be decided when we are on that situation.

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    It is technically possible to put targets from other communities, but we have 2 problems here


    A) The other community need to agree that we put them as a target (we don't even know about his merge plan yet, and it needs to fit, because we can not put a target

    Well it should be painfully obvious then that this is what the majority of the players in Dorado want. So how do we get that ball rolling and make it happen? Who do we have to involve from .de?


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    B) Usually we put target universes on other communities in cases of little communities that are not able to get a single active universe by themselves (for example when we merged Finland, Sweden universes to UK target universes). It's not usual that we combine universes from one big community to another (even if DE is bigger than UK, it's not that big different than FI/SE with UK).


    Dorado is a community of players that want 1x FLT/ECO/RES. If they wanted more than that they would go graveyard and leave...


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    C) If we put Uni1.DE as target, you will still need to play with another players with more than double points than you (coming from our own merge or from DE merge...), and that seems to be an issue for some players from Dorado (not sure if you were on that group, please consider that this reply is for all players).


    For the most part, the players in Dorado would fit in better with uni 1.de than they would with uni 1 .org. I'm rank 2 in Dorado with 340KK points (rank 1 is a whale with 1.7bn), the highest ranked in .de is around 375KK. In .org uni 1 just to break into the top 100 now you need close to 1bn points...so, yeah, your comment is bunk. Dorado players would be more competitive and aligned to uni 1.de than they would uni1.org.


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    Also, the high ranked players that usually owned the exodus servers, need to invest more time (and probably DM) to compete between them to reach the ownership of new target universe. This leads to activity, more big battles, and a competitive universe where we had 0 active universes before the merge.


    In my experience from moving from 12 to 20 to Rigel to 1, they all die...it wasn't until 1 where "all roads lead to Rome" and uni 1 became a target for pretty much every merge that there was more activity.


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    I'd just like to highlight this sentence, because some people on this topic are just too afraid.


    "Those that are afraid of whales and DM maybe should rethink there strategy as it is possible to survive amongst them, doesn't matter how big they are"


    This is the most insensitive, out of touch f'n BS I've ever heard you say and I've heard you say some really off the wall crap. Seriously, you are one of the reasons I left the volunteer staff because of how out of touch you are with what players actually want. You take on an adversarial approach to anything the player base wants.


    When the whales showed up to Dorado they bragged about how they farmed 50+ free relos by jumping around the graveyard. One of them immediately started moving in on me and I had to use DM to pay for my relos to put myself in a more strategic position. There is no combined fleet in Dorado that could offer up an ACS attack or ACS defense against their fleets. The best I could do was sat bash the piss out of the whales and try to farm them when they weren't hiding in vmode, but there was no way in hell I would ever be able to take their fleets regardless of how many fleets we brought together in an ACS. Do the damn math man before you talk crap and pay more attention to what's actually happening in these unis with the whales.


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    And yes, merges always make that some players leave, specially when they join an active servers and they are crashed because they used to play a dead universe where they are not even spied frequently. But many of them also stays, keep playing and try to grow up in the highscore to get the same rank they had in the exodus universe.


    It'll be more profound because as you continue to whittle down unis you also have to take into account that many players play multiple unis and now they are not only going to lose an account...but they also have to make really difficult decisions about friends and alliances after they merge because again; some people play in multiple unis. And often times it turns friends into adversaries as their forced to make hard decisions about which ally to be in after a merge. And when you're bringing in whales to unis with 300KK accounts...there is no catching up to them their growth will always out pace the 300KK and below accounts.


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    Merges are a real thing and Dorado can't be out of merges forever. We can have special universes when we have 50 universes (for example one legacy server as Dorado, some special servers like Defense to DF, no ACS universe, etc), but soon or later it's time to put those universes into the standards targets.


    Then listen to what the players of Dorado are telling you, they want a 1x FLT/ECO/RES legacy uni. They don't want to play in a speed uni. And if they are no longer welcome here then work FOR them as an advocate FOR the players to get them where they want to go.


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    Another benefit of this will be that if you go to uni1, you will get all legacy settings except for economy x8, that will allow you to get more resources and grow faster, so you are able to fight versus the big players that can arrive from graveyard (or from exodus servers when a merge is released).


    Again...this just shows more insensitivity and how out of touch you are with the motivations of the players in this game.


    Players in Dorado are there because they WANT 1x FLT/ECO/RES as they have demonstrated in numerous attempts to change the settings there. They don't want increased X8 ECO because they are comfortable with the slower pace as it suits their lifestyle/playstyle and they're not having to log in multiple times per day to save their resources.


    Read the damn room man...


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    We are on boards and everyone is free to join and write their opinion. If they don't, we can't do much about it.


    Yes, yes you can...you can send out an ingame message to all players that this thread exists so they know about it. You're still sending out advertisement messages ingame, you can sure as heck send an announcement for this thread. Also, GF keeps sending out spam/ads to our emails...send a dang email about this too. Use the ogame FB account...stop making excuses and communicate or resign your roll to someone who will.


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    About poll question, what do you mean with a poll? Can you put an example?


    They can't give you an example because the poll function has been disabled on these forums for years because when they (Game Forge) did allow polls and the players responded...game forge didn't like the results and disabled them so they could control the narrative of what the players wanted. it allows the player to choose a response to a poll, and then we can see how many of the options were chosen and more popular than others.


    In summary...the players of Dorado have spoken. Either make Dorado a target legacy uni with 1X FLT/ECO/RES or let them go to uni 1.de.


    And make an actual effort to reach out to players about this MERGE discussion utilizing all available communication resources at your disposal...because as of now, you haven't. You are failing the players who you are supposed to be supporting.

    You had a bad day, or what?


    Actually it was me that said this, not Danimanza, he just quoted it.


    Thanks for sharing your story in Dorado, apparently it is true that no matter how big a whale is, you can "survive" amongst them. No need for relocations though, you spent DM because you decided too, nobody forced you, so end of the day it's not insensitive and out of touch f'n BS.


    You left the volunteer? Who cares really. It would rather be nice if you shared some ideas for speed unis also, not only Dorado and Uni 1.

    share ideas about speed unis even if you dont like them and got no interest in it?

    well ... lets see... think we can tinker something together

    all i hear is raise eco, raise fleet speed, raise df lower deut consume so eeryone wnats instantly hit anyine and be loaded with ress ...

    ... heress my thought to stp once and forever any requests for increase blah blah...


    eco base prod on mines:

    met mine lvl 1 - 50,000,000 met / hour

    crys mine lvl 1 - 50,000,000 crys/hour

    deut synth lvl 1 - 50,000,000 deut/hour


    shipyard level 12 - 1 second building time for any ship


    fleet speed - 1 second to any planet in uni


    deut consumption - 10%


    DF - 200%


    hell yeah the uni gonna rock


    and maybe GF can then offer a persoanl shield for 12 hours for only 500k DM so you have peace if you want.

    thats an awesome uni and nobody ever wil lask o increase anything

    So basically something like this as a starting point, with specs to be agreed once the base is established.


    Also maybe a commitment from GF that there will be one merger round in a 12 month period to close dead unis, with new unis every 3 months rather than every month.


    Target

    UNIVERSE 1

    Dorado

    T2: 2x speed,

    T3: 4x speed,

    T4: 6x speed,


    Exodus 1

    DIONE

    CETUS

    QUANTUM

    BELLATRIX

    OBERON


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    Exodus 2 - merge these into one uni

    LACERTA

    KERBEROS

    FERDINAND

    EARTH


    Excluded

    HALLEY

    GASPRA

    VEGA

    VOLANS


    Danimanza Thank you for your responses and the clarity.

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    I'd just like to highlight this sentence, because some people on this topic are just too afraid.


    "Those that are afraid of whales and DM maybe should rethink there strategy as it is possible to survive amongst them, doesn't matter how big they are"


    I might include that sentence on my board signature :)I kn

    I know that he quoted it...my point is he is parroting it by saying he's going to highlight it and put it in his signature and it's insensitive to players who obviously recognize it's a problem (as well as some members of the volunteer staff whose hands are tied by dysfunctional graveyard MERGE* rules that allow players to abuse the top 20 parameters and farm free relos).


    It's not about surviving, it's about being competitive. And the whales remove the competitiveness because of their overwhelming fleet strength. ACS can't even leverage a competitive environment with the whales. If I hadn't used DM to relo out it would have been a matter of attrition as moons get popped because again the whale's fleet dwarfs the combined fleets of existing fleets in Dorado. Zero chance of ACS-A or ACS-D on their fleets, even in a Russian Moon scenario...still not enough to even make a dent. I may have out-maneuvered them and pulled off some guerrilla-style sat bashing but it's a fly buzzing a bull, an annoyance at best for them but no real threat or risk of them losing their fleets. And unlike them, with their free-farmed graveyard relos, I had to use DM to outmaneuver them.


    I don't play speed unis, so the players that want those can speak to that. I mentioned above I would support whatever the speed players like as I wouldn't be participating in a speed uni.


    *Just to make sure that the discussion is still related to merges and applicable.

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    Those that are afraid of whales and DM maybe should rethink there strategy as it is possible to survive amongst them, doesn't matter how big they are.

    You can survive, yes, if you want to hide in vmode and not play the game properly. Thats a fact. So yeah whales are problem, but not as big problem as people think :trollface:


    About target unis, I disagree with everything mentioned above. :lol:


    I would like to have target uni like Oberon is now, 6x fleetspeed, 70% df, 8x eco, I wouldn't like to go on lower fleetspeed / df.


    I think that merge tokens would be much better solution than merges.