Graveyard changes seem counter productive...why are they changing them again?

  • Prongs  Danimanza


    Curious, why are they making a change to the graveyard again with this latest addition going into the test server:


    "Changed Graveyard system where players will only be allowed to return to the community where the account was before (there will be an exception for players from former BA (balkan) community)"


    There are a lot of dead communities that players are trying to leave for more active communities...why prohibit them? It's just going to dissuade them from playing altogether and lead to more player attrition.


    Does this stem from the Lira abuse and keeping accounts segregated by the value of their DM?


    The top 20 category restrictions were bad enough, this seems even worse for the community.

  • Prepping for requirement of DM payment for merge token?

    what ya mean with this lol?



    totally agree on it.. limitied lots of small communitys to move out to bigger ones and start enjoying the game.. not die with it in empty unis..

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  • OK, (apologies if I am mistaken but I think this was the timeline of changes) first we could pick a server from ANY language community as long we were not in the top 20, and if we were top 20 worldwide we could go anywhere.
    Then this got announced:

    An account is only allowed to move within top 20 if that was its previous allowed-to-play universe. It is not allowed to move to a universe different than the one you were playing before even if it is on the same community.

    And for the top 20 worldwide this was the change:

    You you can move the account only to the universe where you were playing before the Graveyard transfer. Bear in mind that in order to move to a different universe the account has to be outside top 20.

    And the latest change announced:
    Changed Graveyard system where players will only be allowed to return to the community where the account was before (there will be an exception for players from former BA (balkan) community


    Can we get a clear explanation on why the change and what are the " final" rules about moving to / from Graveyard?! We already got the free relocations "taken" away from us. Here am I, decided to let my account go to the Graveyard, cause my Uni is dead, I haven't played in a few weeks, lost rewards event etc. only to read about this new change, which , the way I understand it, will just allow me to move back to the Uni I am trying to get out of?! Or if I am trying to get out of a universe that is on .org I can just move back to .org and not take my account to a different community? Even if it's like this, it is still very limiting, what if none of the universes available in .org suit my play style? The Graveyard allowed for excitement and a fresh start so to speak, of course if it was done according by the rules. This new change kills all of that.
    Please some clarifications? And why there's an exception for some players? If this is how it is gonna be, me just being able to return to the Universe I am trying to get away from, might as well either delete the account of simply suck up and play it. I've wasted weeks for nothing?
    Hope someone clarifies this issue, thanks.

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  • I would never even consider playing in a Turkish community cause a) i don't speak the language b) i do not buy DM, never have and don't intend to (sorry)
    Just wanted to go to a community where my language is spoken AND the universe I was eyeing at has settings that appeal to me. I would not even be in the top 200 there, let alone top 20, so everything would have been great and now...
    Since my account is still not in the Graveyard, I can not say for sure can I take it out of .org and move it to my desired community. I am still waiting on a better clarification about this, and for someone to explain why certain players will be exempted from it? Can i identify as a Balkan player then?

  • There really should be a grace period for those players that put their accounts into v-mode for the 60-day hibernation to send to the GY so they could take their accounts somewhere more appealing to them...springing this on them like this is pretty low.

  • If that's the new feature, paying DM token to be able to go to another community, can someone from the decision makers be transparent about it? In that case I can see myself paying to escape where I feel trapped at.
    A player gave me a tip, when there's a cashback event to spend some DM from the one we get when we start an account, and then the DM given back to me will be seen as purchased DM - this is what I rely on for my account to end up in the Graveyard. I haven't bought DM at all. So I just wanna know, am I shooting myself in the foot? Is all this wait for nothing?
    Are we definitely not gonna be able to switch communities through Graveyard? If that's so at one point my account *was* in the community I am trying to get it into, does it means it qualifies to go back there? In fact it has been in 3 communities so far (to my knowledge), right now it is in .org. Does it mean I can go back to any community my account was a part of in the past?
    Just some more clarification on this new change would be nice for those of us who see the Graveyard as a migration tool. No shame to ask, since no one is breaking any rules. Least I am not, never have nor will go to Turkish one to buy cheap DM and then leave it. But if this is the reason for this new rule, why are we all punished except the balkan players? Why are they exempted?

  • Other communities no longer exist as well, what about those? And the former Balkan players have a community in which their language is spoken .HR (Croatia)
    Anyway I was curious as to why they were exempted cause in the announcement that wasn't specified.
    Still, some transparency as to why this change is taking place will be nice.
    Why can't we change communities if we're willing to halt out progress for 60 days. Not like we have free relos now, so not like we will abuse that (as it has been done before) .org doesn't have a universe with settings that suit me. The Italian one does. Up until now it was fine to go there for example, now all of a sudden it is not. Simple explanation would do. Should we who are trying to go to Graveyard give up and play where we are or there could be some exemption?

  • If that's the new feature, paying DM token to be able to go to another community, can someone from the decision makers be transparent about it? In that case I can see myself paying to escape where I feel trapped at.
    A player gave me a tip, when there's a cashback event to spend some DM from the one we get when we start an account, and then the DM given back to me will be seen as purchased DM - this is what I rely on for my account to end up in the Graveyard. I haven't bought DM at all. So I just wanna know, am I shooting myself in the foot? Is all this wait for nothing?
    Are we definitely not gonna be able to switch communities through Graveyard? If that's so at one point my account *was* in the community I am trying to get it into, does it means it qualifies to go back there? In fact it has been in 3 communities so far (to my knowledge), right now it is in .org. Does it mean I can go back to any community my account was a part of in the past?
    Just some more clarification on this new change would be nice for those of us who see the Graveyard as a migration tool. No shame to ask, since no one is breaking any rules. Least I am not, never have nor will go to Turkish one to buy cheap DM and then leave it. But if this is the reason for this new rule, why are we all punished except the balkan players? Why are they exempted?

    as far as I know they axed the merge tolken item and will never see the light of day.


    Wherever your account last played if you’re currently in the graveyard or whatever community you’re a part of now, is the community you have access to. If you graveyard from de, you can only go to de.

  • At this point I feel like I am pestering, but I am just trying to gather facts on the matter as I had stated - I am currently waiting for my account to go to the Graveyard.

    So, (sorry for tagging you) Prongs  Art (or anyone that has tried this out / knows with certainty) if I let my account that is currently in .org go to the Graveyard, will I only be able to return it to .org ? Or will I be allowed to choose to go back to .it (Italy) since my account was originally created in the .it community 4 years ago? This account went through a few communities via the graveyard, it was a part of .de and .fr at some point. I just hope this decision could be reversed, some of us simply feel trapped now. I'd pay money to be able to take my account where the settings fit me and I have friends. Just bummed.

  • why

    it's just another attempo to try to kill the game again, they weren't happy with MCO, lifeforms, turkish dm, not-fixing bugs, and those other bs so now they decided to try to kill it community by community

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  • Curious, why are they making a change to the graveyard again with this latest addition going into the test server:


    "Changed Graveyard system where players will only be allowed to return to the community where the account was before (there will be an exception for players from former BA (balkan) community)"

    It's simple really. Graveyard wasn't made to jump from one universe to another or a one community to another, it's to remove perma vac accounts.


    The communities used this as a workaround to move to other universe, but it was never intended to be used like this.

    Don't let the game play you, instead of that Vmode fleetsave and play the game whenever you want.

  • yeah, you just forgot to mention that they decided to make this change only after 3.5 years that graveyard have been implemented

    "But when does a comet become a meteor?

    When does a candlе become a blaze?

    Whеn does a man become a monster?

    When does a ripple become a tidal wave?

    When does the reason become the blame?

    When does a man become a monster?"

  • It's no surprise, really. Similar to MCO, after players have used and abused is when Gameforge made changes.

    Typical German bureaucracy  :hi:

    Don't let the game play you, instead of that Vmode fleetsave and play the game whenever you want.