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Would be nice to get any sort of feedback or anything from GF staff....
Game Forge doesn't care...
Looking at other communities and ours, the fault is with our COMA.
Some of the other communities had forum discussions with their COMAs (who are paid employees) to get community feedback before the merges happened, ours didn't.
The volunteers (GAs, SGOs, GOs, BAs, etc.) will and have voiced their opinions on what they think would be best for the community and will send up their thoughts on what unis should be designated target and exodus. And Game Forge will always come back with something completely different and no feedback for their reasoning (at least that's what they're told by the COMA).
Prongs should change his name to Shingles...because he doesn't care (not everyone will understand the reference).
We really should have a campaign and a petition to have Prongs removed as our COMA. Do a search history of Prong's posts. Virtually zero community involvement other than posting announcements and events. I believe he has only replied to one thread in an actual player-created post/discussion since the 2023 merge fiasco that he was responsible for.While Cathedral is welcome to his own opinion and there is nothing wrong in having one, for those with an open mind I would encourage you to not take the suggestion that Prongs does not care as fact.
As a previous BA working alongside Prongs I can tell you all that he very much cares and has done so much for org in the background that most of you will never understand.
Prongs has reformed the entirety of the working culture amongst org volunteer workers for the best and created a team that works in cohesion unlike under previous comas.
Prongs prefers to let the GA and BA be at the forefront leading the community driven communications and they all feedback into him any concerns and queries they have.
Prongs reads far more of what goes on this board than you may realise and many of his ideas and communications come via the Admins back to the community.
People can have their opinion and that is fine but from experience I can say the opinion above is wrong.
The decisions in this merge most definitely would have been thought through and there will be reasoning behind the choices made even if they are not evidently obvious now, sometimes future updates that the community does not know about can impact choices like this.
Either way Prongs will very much so be aware of this thread and if the concerns were strong enough and valid enough I am sure he would take those into consideration if possible.
Merge 2024 - ORG community - reactions & questions
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Would be nice to get any sort of feedback or anything from GF staff....
Game Forge doesn't care...
Looking at other communities and ours, the fault is with our COMA.
Some of the other communities had forum discussions with their COMAs (who are paid employees) to get community feedback before the merges happened, ours didn't.
The volunteers (GAs, SGOs, GOs, BAs, etc.) will and have voiced their opinions on what they think would be best for the community and will send up their thoughts on what unis should be designated target and exodus. And Game Forge will always come back with something completely different and no feedback for their reasoning (at least that's what they're told by the COMA).
Prongs should change his name to Shingles...because he doesn't care (not everyone will understand the reference).
We really should have a campaign and a petition to have Prongs removed as our COMA. Do a search history of Prong's posts. Virtually zero community involvement other than posting announcements and events. I believe he has only replied to one thread in an actual player-created post/discussion since the 2023 merge fiasco that he was responsible for.While Cathedral is welcome to his own opinion and there is nothing wrong in having one, for those with an open mind I would encourage you to not take the suggestion that Prongs does not care as fact.
As a previous BA working alongside Prongs I can tell you all that he very much cares and has done so much for org in the background that most of you will never understand.
Prongs has reformed the entirety of the working culture amongst org volunteer workers for the best and created a team that works in cohesion unlike under previous comas.
Prongs prefers to let the GA and BA be at the forefront leading the community driven communications and they all feedback into him any concerns and queries they have.
Prongs reads far more of what goes on this board than you may realise and many of his ideas and communications come via the Admins back to the community.
People can have their opinion and that is fine but from experience I can say the opinion above is wrong.
The decisions in this merge most definitely would have been thought through and there will be reasoning behind the choices made even if they are not evidently obvious now, sometimes future updates that the community does not know about can impact choices like this.
Either way Prongs will very much so be aware of this thread and if the concerns were strong enough and valid enough I am sure he would take those into consideration if possible.
If indeed they listen and have reasonings, maybe it would be worth sharing it with the community for once.
As below:Merger options are so bad it feels like it was made up by an AI trying to maximize player negativity.
We are given Uni1 which is very bad for most players due to the age of the server and no alternative x1 speed server.
We are given 2x and 4x2x servers as a choice, one of them being so dead that everyone is surprised that it is not Exodus.
We are given an x5 server which seems the only choice for x4/x5 etc servers.If there is indeed reasoning behind all of this we are very keen to listen to them as except for Thuban and Vega the rest of the choices are completely bonkers.
You did not provide a relatively younger server for the people who prefer slow fleets.
AB and SO sit quietly for about 96 hours without addressing discontent and people voicing their opinions left here by the community in the post created for that purpose...?
What's the point of creating a thread like this if you just gonna let it stir and ignore it?
If they would indeed be interested in interacting with us, why not create a thread with initial decisions on Merge and ask the community for feedback, adjust it and post it?
Given not all players use boards and the forum era is dead for a while but we still play this game, spend money on it and actively try to give you feedback on generally bad decisions made as the community hates them.
Are you telling me that BA reads posts and listens? Where in this lineup have you got any evidence of that?
At the moment it looks to at least me and probably some players here as follows:
"Okay, we need to delete some universes to make some space for new ones to boost this Quarter financially. Let's pick at random unis which are going to be nuked and choose target unis at random too. They will have no choice but to accept it and let's even sprinkle some salt on this wound of discontent by creating a thread to voice this discontent and completely ignore it. (Again as it seems to be a standard practice regarding merges)"
This is a spreadsheet-like game but instead of paying people to moderate it and genuinely try to keep it alive, GF actively relies on free labour and only checks if this game still brings profits, if not they will slash it the moment profit gets anywhere close to being even with costs.
They already did it to a lot of games.
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Btw, I'm not joking about GF profits. They could really afford 2-3 people to be properly paid to manage Ogame. (this is publicly accessible information)
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You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and you need to keep that in mind.
If we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg, then that means there is a lack of communication towards the community. If you're taking the feedback seriously and "doing what you can" internally, you need to make that process transparent. Only showing the "tip of the iceberg" to the community is not "communicating efficiently", it's a lack of transparency and communication.
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hay ddnt Titanic only seen tip of the iceberg too? hmm i dont remember how that story ended tho so guess we good
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Hello !
As announced in the merge post, galaxies will not be increased.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say a few things:
- There is indeed a difference between not giving a damn about feedback and doing what we can internally and waiting to communicate efficiently. You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and you need to keep that in mind.
Another important point: the plan can't satisfy everyone, it's impossible. Some have taken the example of the French forum, which asked players to draw up the merger plan and have their say on it before it was sent to GF. It's perfectly appreciated that the community is involved in the choice, and I agree with that. But you have to look at the result:
310 people voted for one plan, 289 voted for the other plan. Reactions were very mixed, even negative. GF won't be able to satisfy the community knowing that it was so divided at the time of the vote, so there will be dissatisfaction. At this stage, it's just factual.
So I'd just like to reiterate that it's not possible to find solutions for every complaint. Still, I hope this little change will bring a tiny ounce of satisfaction for some.
Have a nice day
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By the way, this topic isn't here to discuss GF's finances or unpaid moderators, please stay on the subject of the merger.
Galaxies thingy is just a snowflake on top of the iceberg.. imo.
Appreciate the first input regarding the matter, however still plenty to answer.
It's more than obvious GF can't satisfy everyone, although Lacerta as a target uni could be a good story to a new Walking Dead series, and it's not only opinion of people playing there..
As a person playing this uni myself, I'm 100% certain it turns into another year of marinating or just giving up.
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Hello !
As announced in the merge post, galaxies will not be increased.
That's nice, we were speaking about it in this thread for quite a while and would've been nice to see a response here instead of an Edit in the original separate thread where we cannot respond.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say a few things:
- There is indeed a difference between not giving a damn about feedback and doing what we can internally and waiting to communicate efficiently. You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and you need to keep that in mind.
"communicate efficiently"- that is nice and all that you actually mention that as by the looks of it we are not kept in the loop.
We are not updated and even simple: "Let me ask about this" or "We are discussing it" and then actually updating users goes a long way to keep players feeling like they are being heard.
If this is the tip of the iceberg and we are already dissatisfied I am scared of what is below the surface. Efficient communication needs to be performed and transparent. If you just read our comments and never respond we feel like you as a moderation team are acting like a fussy girlfriend leaving us on read for 3 to 5 working years.
Another important point: the plan can't satisfy everyone, it's impossible. Some have taken the example of the French forum, which asked players to draw up the merger plan and have their say on it before it was sent to GF. It's perfectly appreciated that the community is involved in the choice, and I agree with that. But you have to look at the result:
310 people voted for one plan, 289 voted for the other plan. Reactions were very mixed, even negative. GF won't be able to satisfy the community knowing that it was so divided at the time of the vote, so there will be dissatisfaction. At this stage, it's just factual.
So I'd just like to reiterate that it's not possible to find solutions for every complaint. Still, I hope this little change will bring a tiny ounce of satisfaction for some.
This much is fair, not everyone can be satisfied. But letting us know reasons why things goes this way instead of the other would make us believe in what you saying a bit more than just leaving us on "read".
At this point "communicate efficiently" needs a lot of work to restore the trust of the community that you actually work for our good rather than just "because we feel like it and you can do nothing about it".
By the way, this topic isn't here to discuss GF's finances or unpaid moderators, please stay on the subject of the merger.
This is a completely fair and reasonable request and I am going to leave this topic.
Can you Neotinea or someone else from the team actually address our concerns, about why this roster was chosen as targets for merges? Why there is no reasonable 1x speed server other than Uni1 which is a suislide to quitting the game due to the number of whales bashing you day and night while we getting 2 x2 servers?
That would work quite favourably in restoring the mentioned trust and work toward what you call "communicate efficiently".
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Ozone has only universe 1 as a target, unless they want to migrate into a speedserver.
Look at Ozone's rankings and scream. It's like throwing a bunch of goldfishes into a tank filled with piranhas.
It would have made more sense to merge them into Wurren, or Ying. They would still be at disadvantage, but not by 2 orders of magnitude.
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Can you Neotinea or someone else from the team actually address our concerns, about why this roster was chosen as targets for merges? Why there is no reasonable 1x speed server other than Uni1 which is a suislide to quitting the game due to the number of whales bashing you day and night while we getting 2 x2 servers?
[whale]It's honestly not like that in uni 1...granted there are a couple of aggressive whales like GKP and TC who like to rip-bash players into oblivion but they lose their fair share of those RIPs occasionally.
Forr the most part, there aren't that many active fleeters, most players are either hybrids & weekend warriors or have settled into 100% mining.
Our lower-ranked players track all the people who probe them and it's generally the same 4 or 5 players every day.
Unii 1 is a collection point for decades of merges where a lot of veteran and experienced players reside...and a good portion of them play simply for nostalgia of oGame's glory days, to stay in touch with friends they've made over the years, or it's just become so ingrained in their daily routine that they can't let go. We have players that play 100% F2P...
I would not look at the points and ranks in uni 1 and try to compete with that or it'll just frustrate you when you see us go up 5bn or 10bn points at a time. Just play for fun and set personal goals. The top 20 points in uni 1 are an illusion anyway and not an accurate representation of their actual points with the queue some of them have going.
And there are new players and veteran players that start anew in uni 1 and do really well, surviving and thriving amongst all this spending.The 1x fleet speed really does prevent the bashing that occurs in the speed unis. Most of the hits in uni 1 are probe and go that happened because the defender got complacement, there are very few MDs like you see in the speed unis.
Seriously, if you want learn more about uni 1, come to our semi-public discord (PM me for an invite) and talk with some of the players there. It's not our alliance discord, there are players and rivals from every major alliance there who will give you their perspective on uni 1 versus other unis that they play in.[/whale]-PAGAN in uni 1.
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As announced in the merge post, galaxies will not be increased.
Thank you.
Glad my posts towards that made a change
tip of the iceberg
Its in your hand what we see.
If you decide the community isn't worth / ready / is too stupid to see more, its on you, not on us.
You are in the stronger informative position and decide what you show, so please don't try to flip the blame towards us by saying that we don't have the information you refuse to share.
310 people voted for one plan, 289 voted for the other plan
If you plan a vote - not saying you do - please do us a favor and learn how to make votes and analyse them not only by majority. Since that adds a very flawed perspective and can be destructive to game design (see the "every uni needs highest eco"-meta).
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With only 5 galaxy's set its going to get very congested and many players will aim for slot 8.
Pers has 5 galaxy's, Halley has 9, Quad has 6 in total 10 unis and only 4 unis to merge into. Its going to be interesting on how congested it will be, if everyone goes for slot 8.
I guess an ocean of blue shields will be popping up everywhere, There will be no room to move and spread out so we will all be huddled up together nice and close.
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I'm not here to argue, in fact I would like this thread to be constructive. We admit, with sadness, that these mergers thus made are final and the target and exodus universes will not be changed. It would be very interesting to know in advance if there was the possibility following a merger to change some characteristics of the universes as they have done in other communities. This does not mean free choice on everything, for example the speed of hostile fleets is a prerogative that I don't think is possible to change after the choice. But there are some features that can be discussed, for example to make each universe more pleasant you can open a survey to change features for:
-ACS (Lacerta case)
-Deuterium in debris
-Debris percentage
-peaceful fleet speed
-deuterium consumption
-probes with hold
Already by eliminating the NO ACS, in my opinion Lacerta would become a more interesting universe and a valid alternative to Vega.
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Display MoreI'm not here to argue, in fact I would like this thread to be constructive. We admit, with sadness, that these mergers thus made are final and the target and exodus universes will not be changed. It would be very interesting to know in advance if there was the possibility following a merger to change some characteristics of the universes as they have done in other communities. This does not mean free choice on everything, for example the speed of hostile fleets is a prerogative that I don't think is possible to change after the choice. But there are some features that can be discussed, for example to make each universe more pleasant you can open a survey to change features for:
-ACS (Lacerta case)
-Deuterium in debris
-Debris percentage
-peaceful fleet speed
-deuterium consumption
-probes with hold
Already by eliminating the NO ACS, in my opinion Lacerta would become a more interesting universe and a valid alternative to Vega.
It's already been said (somewhere....unsure where) that once everything has settled that the usual votes can be undertaken, so in theory yes these could be changed. Unfortunately though, you would need to merge there first to have a say....and it needs 70% to agree to the change otherwise it won't happen. So it's not impossible, but by no means is it guaranteed
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With only 5 galaxy's set its going to get very congested and many players will aim for slot 8.
Pers has 5 galaxy's, Halley has 9, Quad has 6 in total 10 unis and only 4 unis to merge into. Its going to be interesting on how congested it will be, if everyone goes for slot 8.
I guess an ocean of blue shields will be popping up everywhere, There will be no room to move and spread out so we will all be huddled up together nice and close.
Playing congested as in the good old and gold days? Thumbs up for that, no more empty ss's and mad travel times to strike down someone.
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Running into May long weekend in most places, merge starting Monday, any conclusion would be more than welcome.
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Given that it's just a curiosity, but since Wurren will become a target at the end of the mergers will it receive 100% MO like a 1 year open universe?
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I don’t know if someone already mentioned this but I currently still have 6 free relocations from last merge and if I’m in exit uni will those follow?
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I don’t know if someone already mentioned this but I currently still have 6 free relocations from last merge and if I’m in exit uni will those follow?
yes your relocates will follow, any builds you have running including research will be reset for the currant eco on the target uni you move to so if you can finish them before you move.
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I don’t know if someone already mentioned this but I currently still have 6 free relocations from last merge and if I’m in exit uni will those follow?
yes your relocates will follow, any builds you have running including research will be reset for the currant eco on the target uni you move to so if you can finish them before you move.
I do have a Research running that won’t nearly be done when the merge starts. So am I misunderstanding it won’t start over?
