Uni 1 - Settings Change

    Which option do you prefer for a vote IG? 46

    1. 40% DF with deut (18) 39%
    2. 50% DF without Deut (28) 61%

    *The poll is consultative only, to determine which option will be proposed at the vote, and is therefore not official.

    ~Neotinea


    Reason for 50% Fleet into Debris Field (DF) vote:

    • Every other EN server universe has adopted 50% DF as the minimum standard
    • Encourages more focus on hunting other fleeting-style players due to higher profits

    Concerns:


    Q: Won't this mean more profits off of cargoes, crawlers, and solar sats?

    A: Yes, but the profits off of crawlers and solar sats still won't be worth the effort compared to the deut cost to send under most conditions (if you are running your whole eco off of solar sats then you're already a target so nothing changes). Cargo fleets get attacked for the resources carried by the ships so there would be no extra interest in targeting them compared to now.


    Q: How does this impact mining style players?

    A: With more metal and crystal in the universe, as well as the recently added limits on the resources larger players can "gift" (500 mill res sent per week), this change is expected to increase demand for deuterium traders, giving mining style players more significance in the overall game eco system.


    Q: Doesn't this give an advantage to fleeting style play?

    A: Since the addition of Lifeforms, fleeting style players have gained some boosts to ship speed but defensive style players have gained boosts to "protected resources" that can't be raided and limiting the

    size of debris fields (depending on buildings/races chosen). These bonuses seem to have been designed with 50% DF in mind, being too powerful in a 30% DF system.


    Q: Won't this mean the giant fleets will only grow bigger?

    A: Most top players put money into the game and aren't likely to be caught by anyone other than each other anyway. If anything this makes it more viable for smaller players who like to fleet on occasion to grow more rapidly or to rebuild more quickly through their activity. It promotes more active play and more ability for smaller players to build fleets capable of combating the raiding fleets of larger players.


    This change is meant to encourage more active play within Universe 1 to help keep the game thriving and alive. Even if you don't see the benefits to your own play style, please consider the benefits this change has for the overall community to ensure your account continues to grow in an active universe.


    I know this has been discussed many a times now and failed polls however can we have a civilised discussion about some setting changes here in U1?


    The uni is very miner centric already. You only need to look at the CR section and realise that there is not much hitting going on at the moment. I understand its that time of the year where activity gets less and less with the nicer weather however.


    I would like to see peoples opinions on either of the below. Though fully aware the miners rule the uni so open to suggestions from anyone who might have any other ideas?


    40% DF.

    30% DF With Deut to Debris enabled


    I know im a fleeter so biost towards these setting changes, so is there any other compromises we can come to which might help?

    Firstly, I haven't seen a single good argument from any miners about why they won't support these changes... So I would really be interested in seeing those opinions too.



    I agree that this is a very unbalanced uni. The changes you're suggesting are really quite minor.

    I would love to see some changes that would generate more activity and willingness to play... I'm sorry, but us miners are boring. To motivate the fleeters, why not even even go to either a 50% df or 40% with deut to df?

    I would love to go further with the DF % 30% is so minimal these days! But just didn’t think going much further would be worth it to get anywhere.


    I know it was a close vote last time round.


    I would be more than happy to increase eco with 50% DF and deut to debris if it is allowed. More than happy with that 😂

    Hello,


    Before we get too far into the conversation, let me remind you that you can use this link to find out what you can ask for: Possible Universe Settings


    King Rabbit Don't hesitate to mention one of the admins when there seems to be a consensus on one or more options ; )

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    Hello,


    Before we get too far into the conversation, let me remind you that you can use this link to find out what you can ask for: Possible Universe Settings


    King Rabbit Don't hesitate to mention one of the admins when there seems to be a consensus on one or more options ; )

    That's great thanks, can we ask why eco is not allowed to be requested over 8x? I know it was because can only be one per community before but it’s evident that’s not the case now with Thuban and Yin.


    It’s DF and/or deut into debris most fleeters here are after but after so many failed attempts previously a compromise with eco could be beneficial if it’s an all or nothing vote sort of thing.


    That said I understand the post you have linked and appreciate you popping in.

    I would vote in favour of x10…I really don’t care whether we go to x10 or not but if it’s TIED to a df increase vote I’d be happy to vote in favour of.

    Im always in for a increase in df and economy , if eco x10 definitely 50% and deu for debris

    +1


    enough just to look at last emerge, how many ppl joined us ?

    Definitely need a change

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    Quote from Neotinea

    Hello,


    Before we get too far into the conversation, let me remind you that you can use this link to find out what you can ask for: Possible Universe Settings


    King Rabbit Don't hesitate to mention one of the admins when there seems to be a consensus on one or more options ; )

    maybe the rules need to change. Why is it allowed in every other community? Why was it 1…now it’s suddenly 2 that we have in org since February? I know different communities have different rules blah blah blah. Why? Why do we have different rules for different communities when the problems that affect pretty much every community are really only dealt with in a couple?


    Getting back on topic before I go too far out of bounds, is there a valid reason why universes can’t vote for x10 beyond “because we said so?”

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    Im always in for a increase in df and economy , if eco x10 definitely 50% and deu for debris

    +1


    enough just to look at last emerge, how many ppl joined us ?

    Definitely need a change


    BUT look at how quickly they die. Look at the point spread. Here its is even.


    IMO This is the only old school style uni left.

    To keep it that way, Id be happy with the debri increase up to 50% BUT minus deut into debri.

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    Quote from Neotinea

    Hello,


    Before we get too far into the conversation, let me remind you that you can use this link to find out what you can ask for: Possible Universe Settings


    King Rabbit Don't hesitate to mention one of the admins when there seems to be a consensus on one or more options ; )

    hay there boss


    not wanting to be this guy but actually i do want to be this guy so here it is


    if the setting change request features are fixed in stone and no eco above 8x then how is that the quasar pl had settings changed via same vote from 8x to 10x


    that shows me that the setting options for us to request are regulated by org team as it is clearly possible to do in other communities as per above


    so its clearly not a GF rule but ORG rule via upper management which you are apart off.


    Therefore can you please clarify to us humble dwellers of ORG community as of why our lovely management is treating us worse than other communities management is treating their players.


    I would like to request a change on that in order to enable 10x eco option and await official response from the team as of to why it isnt possible.


    best

    Points are irrelevant, everyone is 1 card swipe away from rank 1.

    An active Cr section on the boards is more proof of an active uni than 100 FarmVille miners that only send expos 24/7 with zero interaction (and I say this as a pure miner), at that point it's not really an online game, may as well be single player.

    What matters is player activity, especially for fleeters, and big fights. What is the point of hunting fleets (risking a larger number of ships + deut and a huge waste of IRL time looking for a window) for a huge fight to make 30 Bn profit (with the shitty 30% df)? When you can go for cargo slaps with 400k CRs that makes the same profit and almost zero risk and effort (vs miners)?


    This uni is already incredibly miner centric, we need to encourage more fleeting, so I would vote for any increase to % DF or deut to DF (which just makes fleeters more appetizing targets, without affecting miners at all).

    I can assure you no fleeter is looking to crash your cargos for the DF, it always for the press they are carrying.

    Did you even read my post?

    Points are completely relevant. As all new merged unis unless your top 5 you cant do anything to anybody.

    The Cr sections there will be dead within 6 months...
    How old is this uni?

    Here weaker players can still have a chance at bigger fish.
    I also said I'm well up for a debri increase. Just not deut into debri.

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    everyone agrees with me that will not be a change whatsoever in df if not coming with a ecco bust , or I'm only one seeing this?

    I started to see more and more players going in long/ permanent vmode

    Will gf mod/coma let this uni die? This it's the question


    Anyway if this the case can I have back please option to merge to another community

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    Im still on the fence with this one, part of me being a long time 20 year player of uni 1 wants it to stay the same, other part of me would like the better specs. Id only vote yes if it came buddled with 10x eco and I would also like an explanation why after the "one 10x uni per community" is violated that it remains in place?

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    I started to see more and more players going in long/ permanent vmode

    I think a big part of the recent mass v-mode exodus can be attributed to the recent update which killed most of the third-party tools like OGL/AGR/Infiinity and players were unwilling to play vanilla.

    Anything that increases DF % and Eco gets a vote from me.

    10x eco isn't possible? Game Forge... listen to your customers!

    How many more warnings do you need?

    Turn on Deut to DF

    Above is a link to the post I made summarizing the arguments people were making about why deut to debris field was a good idea during the last go around with this attempt. I think the whole topic is worth a look over for those trying to make this happen again.

    The main points I would like to make regarding any upcoming poll would be:

    A) if there are multiple parts to the proposal then make sure it is presented as a package deal (there was recently a topic in another universe proposing changes meant to be a "if you give us this then we'll give you that" but the options were listed individually to vote on which completely defeated the point of the original proposal)
    B) have the arguments for/against the proposals included in the poll itself (something that was suggested to happen during the last deut to df discussion but that didn't happen)