New pulling rule clarification

    I would like confirmation that I understand these changes correctly, it seems people interpret this in a few different ways.


    The in-game message:


    Restrictions:
    For new universes, pulling is completely prohibited from the opening of the universe until the 3rd following Monday;

    The maximum allowed pull is 500M resources (combined) per week (from Monday 00:00:00 to Sunday 23:59:59) for all pulls (for all players collectively, not per player).
    The maximum allowed pull is the amount sent by a player, not the amount received by a player. In other words, a player can give only 500M per week, but a player can receive 500M from several players.

    Exceptions:
    Moon attempts from stronger accounts to weaker accounts are not subject to the PULL rule and can be carried out in addition to the donation;
    Profit-sharing during a group attack/defense is not subject to the PULL rule after operator validation (API and sharing must be provided via ticket).
    For all accounts below TOP 20 Economy or less than 2bn points this rule does not apply, except on the start of a universe.


    "or less than 2bn points". Is this 2bn points total or 2bn eco points?


    Assuming we are passed the first three Mondays of a server. This is what I understand:


    A player with less than top 20 eco and less than 2bn points, can send more than 500m res to a single player or multiple players every week.

    A player within top 20 eco, but less than 2bn points, can send more than 500m res to a single player or multiple players every week.

    A player outside of top 20 eco, but more than 2bn points, can send more than 500m res to a single player or multiple players every week.

    A player within top 20 eco and more than 2bn points, can at the most give away a combined 500m res once per week.

    A lower ranked player can receive 500m res multiple times in a week, from different players. However, each of those players can at the most give 500m res in a week.

    That's not how I interpreted it...

    There is no "and", it's "or" when it comes to the conditions of top 20 ECO "or" <2bn points.


    A player under top 20 ECO "or" <2bn points can send unlimited amounts to another player who is also < top 20 ECO "or" <2bn points (provided they outrank them in overall points).


    Other than that, you are limited to sending 500mn RES per week. And that is 500mn total...meaning, you can either send 500mn to one player, or divide it up at 100mn for 5 different players, but you are limited to sending 500mn per week total if you are top 20 ECO "or" >2bn points.


    And if you are under top 20 ECO "or" <2bn points you can receive 500mn from as many different players willing to send it to you (provided they outrank you and they haven't exceeded their weekly 500mn if they meet one of the conditions for top ECO or >2bn points).

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    I basically read it as a ban for whales (top 20 eco and >2b pts) to send their metalpacked res to other players.
    Ez interpretation xD


    Btw, both posts above are saying the exact same thing...

    I found it very stupid not to be able to help someone when he gets hit,as i once helped skull from uni1 with res to rebuild his fleet ,i can understand if its top20 as receiver or has high eco but if it's pure fleeter and doesn't have eco and maybe needs help with deut he cannot be helped , because previously some people overused pulling ..

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    Is there going to be a pack sale before the rule is enforceD? If so, please announce it asap. A certain research geek is dying to get the 20th planet. :rolleyes2:

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    sorry to sound dumb but why is it top 20 Eco, shouldn't it Be top 20.

    since Fleeters/Expo's may make more $$$ than a Miner.

    sounds more like another Nerf to the already Underpowered Collector Class if you ask me, you take away the Market place, Disco Makes Way more $$$$, Generals Have massive Rewards for loosing their Fleet in Combat.

    while we get Capped at 50% Crawler income.
    no way to Increase this,
    Collector Bonus in LF is Buffing a 25% mine bonus.... which compared to the others is way under powered...

    rant can go on for ever

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    It's like this:

    This flowchart is wrong as written or at least ambiguous. If anything your flowchart makes the rule more ambiguous/confusing and not less.


    Assuming "/" means "OR" in the figure, then by the second set of arrows, someone has 2bn points they can't pull. But if at the same time, if they are rank 21 eco they can pull by the third set of arrows. NOT (X OR Y) =/= (NOT X) OR (NOT Y), but the flow chart separates out the cases as if the equality were true.


    If you read the wording of the rule, it explicitly says that accounts who are either rank 21+ in eco OR <2bn in points are exempt. So this suggests that someone with 2.1bn points but is rank 21 in eco should be exempt.

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    For all accounts below TOP 20 Economy OR less than 2bn points this rule does not apply, except on the start of a universe.

    I presume the intention is presumably to reduce the work of GOs in monitoring the universe. You'll have way more accounts if you have to look at the top 20 eco in all unis plus the hundreds of accounts in .org that are >2bn points, than if you only had to look at the top 20 eco people who were also >2bn points. In the second case you'd only have to consider 20 accounts per universe at most.


    Please clarify.

    Aren't those two contradictory?


    - A player with less than top 20 eco and less than 2bn points, can send more than 500m res to a single player or multiple players every week.


    - A lower ranked player can receive 500m res multiple times in a week, from different players. However, each of those players can at the most give 500m res in a week.


    So how much can a lower ranked player receive at most from a particular player? 500m or higher? lower ranked is allowed to take more than 500m weekly from players outside top 20 econ and lower than 2b points?


    Instead of a weekly cap, a yearly cap of 3T metal units at 3:2:1 would be better for established target universes so people can get help to complete expensive research projects like 18-19th planet.

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    Gameforge will see the largest revenue in the history of OGame this week.


    Well played Gameforge, well played.

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    They should have given the same opportunity to load up prior to the Lira DM change for the actual users of the currency.

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    The rule should be rephrased to this:


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    yeah but you all seem to forget 1 thing,


    what's stopping you from attacking the higher ranked players moon and taking 4B resource that they "accidentally" transported, and left undefended


    No we are not forgetting that.

    That is also pushing/pulling (depends on the ranks of players) and requires a ban. Else this rule would have meant nothing. Report those players you see or even think are doing that.

    Any ties shown with an account, fleet mission/transport/acs/alliance history etc. proves it and easy to track.

    Some uni1 players are going to get huge pulls within next days and they are aware they can't cannibalize their whaledaddy's moon containing trillions of resources after 17th.

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    And we are one step closer to multi-planetary human life. Thank you for all your hard work GeeK P.

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