the death of freedom of expression

    Ok, I get unlimited warnings for suggesting that some players are breaking the rules. Many times I may have overstepped the mark, but more times than not I think I had a decent expression.


    I also tried to tell how some alliance players go GO and then protected their old friends (sure, this is just my opinion)! Trying to avoid deleted posts, I elaborated on them in jest...keeping the truth with them. But, all the time someone is there to warn the users, to delete the posts, but only to use a verbal warning for some of their parts (DOOM members, in this case, all of us who are players of the newest universes we know them).


    Does this community have the most sensitive level of censorship?


    Can't we really say something here because it will be deleted immediately? We can't have a free chat, surely within limits?


    You mods come up with these works all the time "if you have a problem with a player, create a ticket, if you have something with a mod, report it". It's just behind the scenes, you won't care about these complaints. Let people see what's going on here and don't try to mask everything.


    I'm tired of this behavior, when something doesn't match your wishes, you delete or destroy just because you can. I won't discuss my ban here because I know it's forbidden and the post will be deleted regardless of whether GO managed to do the right thing or not, but protecting them, even though we know they are few, is corrupt.


    I won't name names because I know it's "defamatory" and the post will be deleted as well. And it's not just about me. Many others have their posts removed simply because they only tell the truth most of the time.


    People get sensitive, you can't say something bad about someone because they feel attacked. So here we should just kiss the ass, to increase the pride of the people.


    Cheers

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    Edited once, last by AlleXyS ().

    Your complaints about the current situation and fairness in the game are noted. It's important to recognise that the board has specific rules in place to maintain a constructive and respectful environment for all participants.


    Firstly, the board moderators are responsible for ensuring that discussions on the forum adhere to the rules, which include not making public accusations about players. This rule is crucial because it helps prevent unnecessary conflicts and ensures that all players are treated fairly. Public accusations can lead to misunderstandings, false claims, and a generally hostile environment, which is not conducive to a healthy community. This is why the moderators ask you to create a ticket for any in-game rule violations so that the game operators, who have the necessary tools and jurisdiction, can investigate properly.


    Our alliance, DOOM, values a positive and rule-abiding community. We strive to provide a supportive environment for both players and volunteers, including board moderators and game operators. These individuals dedicate their time and effort to ensure the game remains enjoyable and fair for everyone. They are players like all of us and deserve to enjoy the game while helping to maintain its integrity. The accusations that our alliance fosters favouritism or unfair practices are unfounded. We have strict rules against cheating and any behaviour that goes against the principles of fair play. Our focus is on fostering long-lasting friendships and a positive environment—things you have yet to experience.


    You accuse us of pushing when we pull hits you don't have the capacity, experience or skill to pull. You accuse us of being favoured when you break the rules and we don't because we simply know better or do not have the same desire to promote a negative environment as you do. You accuse us of using our credit cards, which let me remind you, is not illegal, and which you and your friends also do. It's not like we swipe our credit cards and our fleets are instantly flying on targets or our fleets get fleetsaved automatically. Sadly, you cannot have your cake and eat it.


    Personally, I have experienced the consequences of breaking the board rules and was banned for a considerable time. This experience taught me the importance of adhering to the guidelines set by the community. Our alliance learned from these experiences and now ensures that we do not repeat the same mistakes. Unfortunately, it seems you have not yet learned this lesson, and it’s leading to continuous warnings for behaviour that promotes a negative environment on the board, which you are now crying about. Sadly, facts do not care about your feelings.


    At some point, you will have to understand that GOs and Board Mods are players like all of us. If my alliance can provide a positive environment for them to have fun, with strict rules about cheating or anything that breaks the rules of the game, but also create long-lasting friendships regardless of what people like you may think, then it makes it an appealing place for them to be.


    It is also worth mentioning that the process of handling complaints and issues through the proper channels is designed to ensure fairness and objectivity. When you submit a ticket, it allows game operators to conduct a thorough investigation without the influence of public opinion or bias. This process is in place to protect all players and maintain the integrity of the game. Public accusations can undermine this process and lead to a breakdown of trust within the community. If you are not happy with a decision, you have the option to escalate it to the next level where a higher-ranked member of staff can look into it.


    I encourage you to follow the appropriate channels for reporting any concerns. This approach not only respects the rules of the board but also ensures that your concerns are addressed in a fair and impartial manner, whether you believe it or not. Additionally, contributing positively to the community can help foster a more enjoyable environment for everyone. Constructive feedback, respectful dialogue, and adherence to the rules are essential components of a healthy and thriving community.


    I encourage you to continue engaging with the community in a positive manner. By working together and respecting the guidelines set by the board, we can all contribute to a better and more enjoyable experience for everyone.

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    You accuse us of being favoured when you break the rules

    don't come at me with crap like that :))) Again, it's not about my ban, but if you want to talk about it...HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A FORMER PLAYER FROM A UNIVERSE TO BECOME GO EXACTLY THERE, WHEN HIS FORMER ALLIANCE IS STILL PLAYING?? Is she/he the last GO in the community, with no other option? Let's have a free and decent discussion about it :))) Can you? Of course not.


    I want more transparency on the board, especially from the mods, certainly not from you!!

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    I encourage you to follow the appropriate channels for reporting any concerns

    oh yeah....remember my complaint on discord to the whole community? It was a funny thing for you and your boys, wasn't it? Because I wasted days being blocked by your colleague, don't come here and say you're a saint. Need to know the reasons in the ticket? Sure, I can say it here, but in 5 minutes max, I'll be censored!!


    I never said I am a good player but you and half of your alliance with all your money and skills couldn't catch me and changed the plan :)) Oh, and let's not forget your clever colleague END, who buried his team in a historic hit!! You can see by his presence how he is still crushed by this.


    I cannot work together with some who think they are the masters of the world and take full advantage of their power.

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    GOs and Mods shouldnt be allowed to play with other players,or at least in alliances with non GOs and non Mods.They should have GO only/MOD only alliances.You are either overseer of the game or you play the game,you cant be both if you want a healthy game.DM abuse is allready destroying the game,we dont need corruption too or at least possibility of corruption.I dont know you or your alliance or where are you guys playing,but I found this random topic and I had to reply.Deep down in your sould you know my words are true,but ofc you will try to defend your oppinion.But no matter what I write it changes nothing,people and gameforge will do as they please.

    AlleXyS , are you new to the forum? It's been like this since I can remember. Additionally, just as a highlight, this contributed to the game's downfall.


    I know dozens of players quit this game because of how the forums were and are being handled. One of the rare occasions when the forum was actually enjoyable was when kewlness took charge and made it more community focused instead of Power Trip focused or whatever you want to call it.


    It's not like we're outright cussing or humiliating people, nor are we being inappropriate, so I don't understand why the dictatorial moderation approach clearly doesn't create a positive environment but rather a more toxic one.


    I look at the current situation as a learning opportunity. I get to improve my political approach to things.


    I can also see that some people are masters at gaslighting.

    Don't let the game play you, instead of that Vmode fleetsave and play the game whenever you want.

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    Eh, not new, not old. I came here some time ago to avoid a corrupt community. It seems that I have found another one that transforms at a fast speed.


    "I look at the current situation as a learning opportunity. I get to improve my political approach to things.". This is exactly what I don't want to do. It's enough that I should have a fake smile at my boss everyday :)))) This is just a game, it should be treated as such. But some take their role too seriously.


    Censorship is the first thing that kills a forum. Let people say what they have to say...or at least, censor words, not entire messages, keeping the conversation flowing cleanly. 7 out of 10 messages are censored, what will a third person understand in a thread?

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    It's enough that I should have a fake smile at my boss everyday :)))) This is just a game, it should be treated as such. But some take their role too seriously.

    I'm sorry you hate your boss/job?


    It really depends from moderator to moderator, by the end of the day some volunteers are venting their frustrations through their role, others are just doing what they're supposed to do. If you really have an issue with a moderator, i'd say open a ticket or send an email, I know it won't do much, but this reflects reality in a way, doesn't it? If you don't like how 'people in charge' are handling things then all you can do is complain, but again, it won't do much.


    Simply follow guidelines and if you still feel you're being treated unfairly, then open ticketS and from my experience they'll reverse warning/bans if you're in the right.


    I completely empathize with you, but it's a losing battle. Nevertheless, good luck!


    I really like how Dorth keeps disliking things as if it means anything. Stay classy pumpkin' :love:

    Don't let the game play you, instead of that Vmode fleetsave and play the game whenever you want.

    I'm not targeting anyone here, but I'd like to let people have their say.


    "but it's a losing battle" yeah, as always :))) till their remain alone. At one time there were some campaigns to get people into the game. Only to later make them run away from where they came from

    :evilgrin2:

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    don't come at me with crap like that :))) Again, it's not about my ban, but if you want to talk about it...HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A FORMER PLAYER FROM A UNIVERSE TO BECOME GO EXACTLY THERE, WHEN HIS FORMER ALLIANCE IS STILL PLAYING?? Is she/he the last GO in the community, with no other option? Let's have a free and decent discussion about it :))) Can you? Of course not.


    I do not wish to talk about your ban since it is forbidden to do so on the board. I can neither talk about the appointment of a former or current member as GO, as it is not up to me and I have no say in the decisions taken by our fantastic support team. Maybe you should try respecting them and their authority. It can go a long way.

    See below :rulez:



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    oh yeah....remember my complaint on discord to the whole community? It was a funny thing for you and your boys, wasn't it? Because I wasted days being blocked by your colleague, don't come here and say you're a saint. Need to know the reasons in the ticket? Sure, I can say it here, but in 5 minutes max, I'll be censored!!


    I never said I am a good player but you and half of your alliance with all your money and skills couldn't catch me and changed the plan :)) Oh, and let's not forget your clever colleague END, who buried his team in a historic hit!! You can see by his presence how he is still crushed by this.


    I cannot work together with some who think they are the masters of the world and take full advantage of their power.


    As mentioned above, and as I think you were also told on Discord, it is not the place to file a complaint. You can complain on the ticket itself to escalate it to the next level if you are not happy with the decision taken. Also, my nickname literally means the opposite of saint. Regarding your claim about your gameplay skills, it's irrelevant to the discussion about board and in-game rule enforcement. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, and personal attacks won't help your argument. We stand with our alliance mates whether they win or lose. "This is just a game, it should be treated as such."


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    GOs and Mods shouldnt be allowed to play with other players,or at least in alliances with non GOs and non Mods.They should have GO only/MOD only alliances.You are either overseer of the game or you play the game,you cant be both if you want a healthy game.DM abuse is allready destroying the game,we dont need corruption too or at least possibility of corruption.I dont know you or your alliance or where are you guys playing,but I found this random topic and I had to reply.Deep down in your sould you know my words are true,but ofc you will try to defend your oppinion.But no matter what I write it changes nothing,people and gameforge will do as they please.

    The idea of segregating GOs and Mods into their own alliances is flawed. These volunteers play the game too, and they should be able to enjoy it without undue restrictions. The accusation of "DM abuse" is a separate issue entirely. Using Dark Matter is part of the game mechanics, and complaining about it doesn't contribute to the discussion about rule enforcement and transparency.

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    I know dozens of players quit this game because of how the forums were and are being handled. One of the rare occasions when the forum was actually enjoyable was when kewlness took charge and made it more community focused instead of Power Trip focused or whatever you want to call it.


    It's not like we're outright cussing or humiliating people, nor are we being inappropriate, so I don't understand why the dictatorial moderation approach clearly doesn't create a positive environment but rather a more toxic one.

    Your point about the forums contributing to the game's downfall is an opinion shared by some, but it's not universally accepted. Forums are moderated to ensure a respectful and constructive environment. If dozens of players quit because of how the forums are moderated, it suggests they couldn't adhere to the rules and guidelines. The moderation aims to prevent toxicity and maintain a positive community atmosphere. If you have constructive feedback on how moderation can improve, it's welcomed, but it must be presented respectfully and through the appropriate channels.

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    I really like how Dorth keeps disliking things as if it means anything. Stay classy pumpkin' :love:

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    I don't understand a few aspects here.
    Yes, it would be best if you did not play on the server you moderate, that is all good and sound and I agree with my past experience in moderating servers in games.
    Overseers here are mostly volunteers, if they don't have active player accounts on the server then there is no issue with them being one.
    Why do you get so salty at another player in Excel the Game?
    I mean if you were angry at the company which makes incompetent choices it would make sense but why do you and a few others like Grinder antagonize players for playing the game?
    Just curious :D

    DM abuse, ah yes remove and restrict the only thing keeping this 20 year old spreadsheet alive....

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    The moderation aims to prevent toxicity and maintain a positive community atmosphere. If you have constructive feedback on how moderation can improve, it's welcomed, but it must be presented respectfully and through the appropriate channels.

    Didn't realize you owned the moderation control piece, but thanks to all the hard work for keeping the obviously so non-toxic forum.

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    it suggests they couldn't adhere to the rules and guidelines.

    Really? That's what you got out of that? Should I be surprised?


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    :growup:

    Did that hurt you? I hope not, I sure don't want to create a toxic environment for poor little ol' Dorth.


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    why do you and a few others like Grinder antagonize players for playing the game?

    Who's antagonizing who? Play the game the way you like. I've never had any complaints about anyone unless they're blatantly cheating.


    The topic concerns volunteers playing favorites, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

    Don't let the game play you, instead of that Vmode fleetsave and play the game whenever you want.

    Edited once, last by MikeGrinder6 ().

    We should all quit the game. In most of communities GOs aren't able to be players as well. You make your choice when you enroll for the staff team, you can't be player and admin at same time..why ? Because as Go you have access on players activities. For example Key Yuki now can tell his friends our timelines and activity easily. Isn't it called as advantage? Examples are more...

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    We should all quit the game. In most of communities GOs aren't able to be players as well. You make your choice when you enroll for the staff team, you can't be player and admin at same time..why ? Because as Go you have access on players activities. For example Key Yuki now can tell his friends our timelines and activity easily. Isn't it called as advantage? Examples are more...

    That's not necessarily how it should be, otherwise it wouldn't be sustainable.

    The idea is to have a player who plays in universe A but moderates or operates in universe B, which they have no connections to.


    The accusation you're making isn't fair to other operators, so you can make a case and lodge a complaint, or you and a bunch of other players from the same universe can appeal to a new operator.


    I'd be careful throwing accusations left and right like that.

    Don't let the game play you, instead of that Vmode fleetsave and play the game whenever you want.

    As a former GO, I think the inmates should not be running the prison (game or board)...the system is susceptible to corruption. And as universes merge and consolidate, it makes it more and more of a concern that friends of rivals become admins.

    However, if you suspect a GO/mod, SGO/smod or even a GA/BA is abusing their role, you should make a ticket about it and ask to have it escalated to the GA or the COMA* upon receipt. Just like player activities are logged, so are an admin's activities logged so they can see what the volunteers are looking at in the system (or not looking at).

    Also, the oGame discord and the forum rules are not aligned...just saying.

    *The problem is finding a COMA that engages with the community they're assigned to. There are some good ones out there, and then there is ours.

    Man, I miss kewlness as our GA, he would have made an excellent COMA.

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    However, if you suspect a GO/mod, SGO/smod or even a GA/BA is abusing their role, you should make a ticket about it and ask to have it escalated to the GA or the COMA* upon receipt.

    Don't say that. I made a huge compromise to myself to remain in game :lol: I had to "admit" something I didn't do. And that's all

    :evilgrin2:

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    We should all quit the game. In most of communities GOs aren't able to be players as well. You make your choice when you enroll for the staff team, you can't be player and admin at same time..why ? Because as Go you have access on players activities. For example Key Yuki now can tell his friends our timelines and activity easily. Isn't it called as advantage? Examples are more...

    or can people simply use PTRE, imagine that there is actually a tool for that for everyone? a bit of GAMEPLAY in my Excel? People noting down on 30-minute intervals for a few days to know when I'm online?! IMAGINE THE AUDACITY OF THAT! HOW DARE THEY USE MY SLIPUPS AGAINST ME IN A PVE GAME CALLED COOKIE CLICKER OGAME TOTALLY A PVP GAME WHERE TIME TRACKING AND ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT ARE THE PRIORITY!

    PEOPLE HAVE MORE TIME THAN I DO TO PLAY THE GAME AND ACTUALLY PLAN ATTACKS!?!
    CANT BE!?

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    Quote from venommourne

    GOs and Mods shouldnt be allowed to play with other players,or at least in alliances with non GOs and non Mods.They should have GO only/MOD only alliances.You are either overseer of the game or you play the game,you cant be both if you want a healthy game.DM abuse is allready destroying the game,we dont need corruption too or at least possibility of corruption.I dont know you or your alliance or where are you guys playing,but I found this random topic and I had to reply.Deep down in your sould you know my words are true,but ofc you will try to defend your oppinion.But no matter what I write it changes nothing,people and gameforge will do as they please.

    The idea of segregating GOs and Mods into their own alliances is flawed. These volunteers play the game too, and they should be able to enjoy it without undue restrictions. The accusation of "DM abuse" is a separate issue entirely. Using Dark Matter is part of the game mechanics, and complaining about it doesn't contribute to the discussion about rule enforcement and transparency.

    As I allready predicted,you defend your oppinion and thats your oppinion,let me have my oppinion.You have your oppinion and I have my own.Lets leave it at that.

    I dont even play the game anymore,and I probably wont in the future.I agree that we disagree and as I said Gameforge and those individuals you are mentioning will keep doing what they are doing and thats fine by me. People like you and those individuals you are mentioning that play with you are killing your own game. You will end up playing alone in the whole universe. Buf if thats the future you are looking forward to,thats fine by me. Now go ahead and do your thing and justify your oppinion again.

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    We should all quit the game. In most of communities GOs aren't able to be players as well. You make your choice when you enroll for the staff team, you can't be player and admin at same time..why ? Because as Go you have access on players activities. For example Key Yuki now can tell his friends our timelines and activity easily. Isn't it called as advantage? Examples are more...

    or can people simply use PTRE, imagine that there is actually a tool for that for everyone? a bit of GAMEPLAY in my Excel? People noting down on 30-minute intervals for a few days to know when I'm online?! IMAGINE THE AUDACITY OF THAT! HOW DARE THEY USE MY SLIPUPS AGAINST ME IN A PVE GAME CALLED COOKIE CLICKER OGAME TOTALLY A PVP GAME WHERE TIME TRACKING AND ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT ARE THE PRIORITY!

    PEOPLE HAVE MORE TIME THAN I DO TO PLAY THE GAME AND ACTUALLY PLAN ATTACKS!?!
    CANT BE!?

    Your sarcasm is something else, I must admit. Ironically, I pose same questions in a serious matter only because admins used to ban me for ' having much time ' to play.

    It's not like GA or SGO checking on GO's actions? Or am I wrong?

    Quote from Whis

    We should all quit the game. In most of communities GOs aren't able to be players as well. You make your choice when you enroll for the staff team, you can't be player and admin at same time..why ? Because as Go you have access on players activities. For example Key Yuki now can tell his friends our timelines and activity easily. Isn't it called as advantage? Examples are more...

    If you really think leak from GO is needed for this, better get that jenga out of the box... First it was DM, then multi accounts, pushes, bots and now "grande finale" friendly GO's :D


    Hard not to have a connections in massive alliance across different unis, get a grip and play the game (if you can :D ).. o0

    People playing this stupid game for years, but sure, **** community and play like a cave man without any interactions with other players, because one day they might become GO, MOD or whatever... then it becomes blaming/flaming game <3 Although more interest in this at it seems.