Huge Debate

    Why title huge debate? :confused:...baited me to come here and then i see this simple question 90% of people could answer correctly :tongue3:


    I recommend you join discord server, it is active and people there know this stuff aswell. They can help you out with any other questions you might have.

    Assuming you have setup the LF expo techs correctly, the buildings you mention in post #1 are very poweful to have on each planet, not just the expo planets.


    Each building gives a percentage boost to your LF techs on that planet, so also your expo techs. Now multiply this effect times the number of planets you have and the result will be significant. Upgrading these buildings only on expo planets would be a true waste.


    The main benefit of a mecha expo build is that the mecha class has 2 of these 'tech boosting' building, compared to only 1 building (metropolis) for the human expo build. The difference between the 2 setups is small however and mecha becomes more powerful when doing alot (180+) expos daily and with big investment.

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    Because everyone said "Build Mechas on all planets" and I think its just not that good at all to have it where you don't do Expos...

    Mechas will boost your expo findings the most but they lack LF buildings for metal/crystal compared to humans. So i will tell you to ask yourself one simple question; "will i be playing this game for more then 2 years and if i am will i really be sending expeditions 14-16hours a day-everyday?"


    The answer is probably NO. You will not want to no life expos because it becomes boring. If you are f2p player the buffs you get are not worth it because of the time it takes for you to get those buffs by which time a year has already passed and the difference is still neglible compared to building humans from start. So in my opinion if you will play the game and you will want to chill a bit from time to time and sometimes FS for few days and just collect resources i would strongly recommend choosing humans from the begging.


    You could always have multiple setups but that also takes time by which who knows if you will still have will to send that many expos :biggrin:

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    Btw after re-reading the comment it would appear you don't understand how the buff exactly works, let me try to explain.



    So lets say you have 10 planets and you have mechas on them, they will boost all lifeform technologies that you choose on that planet but all the buffs are STACKED together from all planets in the end.

    Example;

    15 planets and on each you have both expedition resource buffs on level 10 which gives you a total of 20 levels for resource buff since they are calculated as a single buff. 20*0,2 = 2%

    Mecha building High-Performance Transfomer level 10 gives you 3% buff for technologies

    Mecha building Chip Mass Production level 10 gives you 4% buff for technologies

    So you basically have total of 7% bonus for ALL your technologies you chose and have active.


    Planet 1; 2% buff + 7% = your buff is now 2.14%

    Planet 2; 2.14%

    Planet 3: 2.14%

    ...

    Planet 15; 2.14%


    So 15 planets * 2.14% = gives you total buff of 32.1%


    Human metropolis gives you 5% buff on lvl 10 so that would be 2% buff + 5% = 2.1% * 15 planets = 31.5%

    Rock'tal would give you flat 30% buff since they don't have any buildings for techs.


    Altough you see how minimal difference here is i will tell you that this is because i didn't put big levels into it so obviusly the higher levels you have the bigger the gap becomes. Now remember what i said, everything depends how long you will play and how much money you wanna put into the game. Also if you are fleeting alot and most income comes from fleeting then mecha buffs are really strong combined with general.


    Also the image if you look at the blue area. Those lifeforms give you extra buff depending on flat % you have (max is 10%). So lets say you have 30% resources buff those lifeforms would give you another 3% buff on top of it so as mecha you would end op on 35.1% (altough for this im not sure if it gives 10% from flat bonus or added bonus). Im telling you about this lifeform buff because many people don't like to farm discoveries for bonus but it is really strong, for mid-tier player it basically gives you +1 level of technologies free and the higher you develop LF's the more you get from this.


    I think all the buffs that buff technologies work so it buffs % that you have and many think it adds it up which is not the case :tongue3:. So it is always % buff you have + research bonus % = result

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    I will make some mathematical equations for you to end the debate in your head:


    Have a life = Rocktall collector

    Have half a life = Human disco

    Have no life = Mecha disco

    Be an absolute idiot = Anything related to Kaelesh

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    See guys this guy is the reason its a huge debate

    He did mention you gotta do insane amount of expos so i wouldn't really say he is a reason for debate since he did not claim mecha is best race to play with or that you have to pick them for expos :kpinch:


    So in simple terms;

    If you want main income to be from mines and from time to time send expos go with rocktal, you won't really lose anything by doing this and if you ever quit you'll be producing more from your mines then humans do

    If you want main income to be from expos but you still want good eco go with human

    If you want main income to be from attacking/expos go with mecha, but with them at some point if you quit you will be falling behind in production by quite a sum


    Or as ms-h4x said, if you don't want to send any expos go with rocktal collector and just gather res around.


    All planets same race, i recommend also choosing same LF techs.

    Brother, some valuable information has been shared with you so maybe take your time to read it properly and digest all the information. Maybe try these setups on different planets for yourself, put in some effort, learn, observe, its no rocket science if you try something yourself.


    And maybe be appreciative towards zajeb for taking his time to explain all this to you :)

    The bonus from the buildings are added to the LF techs on that planet. So like in the example, on that planet the bonus will be 2% * 1.07 = 2.14%, with the 1.07 being from the tech boosting buildings.


    So if all planets have the same building levels and same tech levels the sum is just X amount of planets * 2.14%


    If not the same level, than just calculate the bonus per planet and add them all up.

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    So there is a link between planets with the same species, but not a link between different species, okey...

    Bro, i think you do not understand english that well. Lifeform technologies are GLOBAL, meaning their values are ADDED UP from each planet and combined into SINGLE VALUE no matter what race you choose.

    Buildings and their BUFFs are for that PLANET ONLY where you build that building!!! That means if you have a building that BUFFS lifeform technologies they will give HIGHER BUFF compared to other planets that don't have that building for buffs BUT they will still be added up to TOTAL BUFF for YOUR ACCOUNT


    example;


    Is this picture explaining to you what is going on? I have 1 mecha planet where i have buildings that increase PLANETARY technologies and because of that my OSR has higher value on that planet but it is still combined with values from other planets.


    I think you don't understand what LF techs are and what buildings are so here you go;

    GLOBAL > Every same technology you have will be summed up for total value!


    PLANETARY > Only affects planet that those buildings are built on!!!
    So if you have mecha they will increase your technologies only for the planet they are built on...so if you have 15 planets you need to have all those buildings built up if you want the buff on EACH planet.


    I mean, holy sh*t this isn't so hard...re-read the posts with better concentration man...

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    Dude look above, you literally wrote

    2% + 0.14% is for one planet and then you make an example with 15 planets and go add that 0.14% 15 times... Dude I saw that, I ain't crazy...

    You're saying one thing, then when you start to explain you explain another thing... Tomorrow I will tear down my account to under 500k pts and just build up LifeForms Dab Dab Dab

    Debate is still hot and on going!!!

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    Dude look above, you literally wrote

    2% + 0.14% is for one planet and then you make an example with 15 planets and go add that 0.14% 15 times... Dude I saw that, I ain't crazy...

    You're saying one thing, then when you start to explain you explain another thing... Tomorrow I will tear down my account to under 500k pts and just build up LifeForms Dab Dab Dab

    Debate is still hot and on going!!!

    Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume no. I'll try to phrase differently what has already been said.

    There's clearly no debate on the question.


    - For each planet, Active Lifeform Tech boosts your whole empire, every planet/moon/fleet, regardless of which lifeform or tech are active on other planets.

    - For each planet, High-Performance Transformer and Chip Mass Production lifeform buildings improves the active techs of this planet. That means your whole empire will benefit of the improved techs of this planet.

    The buildings do not : boost all active techs of all planets for this planet specifically.

    The buildings do not : boost all active techs of this planet for this planet specifically.

    The buildings do not : boost all active techs of all other planets for this planet specifically.

    The buildings do : boost all active techs of this planet for your whole empire, not for this planet specifically.

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    And i have given you an image from which you could conclude what mecha do compared to rock'tal for example.

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    From this image alone you could clearly see that if you have MECHA buffs then your value will increase by % your buildings provide compared to races that do not provide buff or give a smaller one. In the end all buffs from each planet is SUMMED up to ONE TOTAL BUFF for your account. Image is self explanatory...

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    You are just repeating what has already been said, ofcourse people use bio modifier or supra refractor on Kaelesh but nobody is rocking a full Kaelesh setup thats the point.

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    Why are they then claiming that its good to have Mechas on every planet, since it then boosts your profits, that seems the worst idea ever after your explanation?

    Well there's different play styles, without more input I can't debate on that one.

    I fail to see why playing mechas seems the worst idea ever.


    I think there's something you missed, because I fail to see why you think it best to have 1 planet mecha, 1 human and the other rocktal.

    I clearly see the point of mechas (for the improved shipyard), but apart for very specific settings, it is indeed best to have the same lifeform on all your planets.

    Depending on preferences, all lifeforms are chosen, though Kaelesh are not late-game.

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