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Posts by Kaldor
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I agree with this in principle. The issue right now with the latest update is the black hole rate stays the same forcing the vast majority of discoverer players, if not all of them, to switch over to collector. To put it even more simply, this update eliminates half the profit whilst the operating costs (fuel/aliens/black holes/core explosions) stay the same as before (which seem to have increased a lot over the past few weeks).
All it takes is some bad luck to eliminate a fleet to rng with the current update which isn't a nerf so much as it's the total destruction of a class for 99.9% of the discoverer playerbase, large or small.
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I'll go into more depth at somepoint later on the changes, the classes, and well everything else but I thought I'd offer up a quick hot-take.
Hot-take:
The meta has shifted further into the hands of "players with large networks" (see spoiler) with this update. I don't see any viable option for a solo player to be competitive whereas pre-update, as unbalanced/overpowered as the discoverer was, at least it gave solo players half a chance if they played their hand right.
Like I said though, I'll be posting a more nuanced take on things later.
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I like the idea.
Are you thinking of something where everyone signs up for a new universe, is given a fleet and some fuel, and last player standing wins?
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Everyone has to fleetsave now. It doesn't matter who or where you are (unless you're void).
Is that such a bad thing?
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Another fine smash. Gz!
On 02-09-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]
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Battleship 150.000
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Defender Accor [YTF]
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Small Cargo 9.736
Large Cargo 75.500
Light Fighter 222
Heavy Fighter 102
Cruiser 66
Battleship 35
Recycler 1
Espionage Probe 1.440
Bomber 4
Deathstar 42
Battlecruiser 10
Pathfinder 82
Small Shield Dome 1
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After the battle ...
Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]
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Battleship 146.742 ( -3.258 )
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Defender Accor [YTF]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
132.067.800 Metal, 132.067.800 Crystal and 132.067.800 Deuterium
253.718.076 Metal, 362.844.839 Crystal and 77.833.285 Deuterium
63.429.519 Metal, 90.711.210 Crystal and 19.458.321 Deuterium
15.857.380 Metal, 22.677.802 Crystal and 4.864.581 Deuterium
3.964.345 Metal, 5.669.451 Crystal and 1.216.145 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 195.480.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 1.376.096.000 units.
Total damage defender including follow-ups: 1.376.116.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 584.094.700 metal and 485.894.500 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 1.318.448.354 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
584.094.700 Metal and 485.940.700 Crystal
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 906.521.820
Crystal: 1.051.041.802
Deuterium: 235.440.132
The attacker(s) made a profit of 2.193.003.754 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -1.156.868.120
Crystal: -1.259.256.102
Deuterium: -278.440.132
The defender(s) lost a total of 2.694.564.354 units.
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Another post for the same friend. Nice smash & great profits!!
On 02-09-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]
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Battleship 300.000
Battlecruiser 475.612
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Defender Alan [YTF]
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Small Cargo 204.174
Large Cargo 124.134
Light Fighter 194.757
Heavy Fighter 15.955
Cruiser 32.213
Battleship 4.479
Colony Ship 168
Recycler 5.929
Espionage Probe 132.175
Bomber 4.939
Destroyer 13.774
Deathstar 287
Battlecruiser 24.704
Reaper 331
Pathfinder 41.196
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After the battle ...
Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]
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Battleship 289.612 ( -10.388 )
Battlecruiser 460.877 ( -14.735 )
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Defender Alan [YTF]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
518.149.504 Metal, 518.149.505 Crystal and 367.837.341 Deuterium
152.454.421 Metal, 1.086.713.927 Crystal and 91.959.335 Deuterium
38.113.605 Metal, 271.678.482 Crystal and 22.989.834 Deuterium
9.528.402 Metal, 67.919.620 Crystal and 5.747.458 Deuterium
2.382.100 Metal, 16.979.905 Crystal and 1.436.865 Deuterium
607.424.564 Metal, 161.334.035 Crystal and 92.479.635 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 1.875.755.000 units.
Total damage attacker including follow-ups: 2.007.642.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 13.159.552.000 units.
Total damage defender including follow-ups: 13.974.723.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 5.079.662.700 metal and 4.343.649.800 crystal.
Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 108.530.800 metal and 89.768.000 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 4.033.278.538 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
108.530.800 Metal and 89.768.000 Crystal
5.079.662.700 Metal and 4.343.655.050 Crystal
Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):
5.188.193.500 Metal and 4.433.423.050 Crystal
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 5.511.286.096
Crystal: 5.774.963.524
Deuterium: 361.003.468
The attacker(s) made a profit of 11.647.253.088 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -8.154.754.596
Crystal: -7.830.564.474
Deuterium: -2.022.682.468
The defender(s) lost a total of 18.008.001.538 units.
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Posting for a friend. Nice smash!
On 31-08-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]
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Cruiser 300.000
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Defender SnowStorm [YTF]
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Small Cargo 100
Large Cargo 80.100
Light Fighter 30
Heavy Fighter 32
Cruiser 13
Battleship 11
Colony Ship 9
Recycler 7
Bomber 32
Battlecruiser 74
Pathfinder 29
Rocket Launcher 589
Small Shield Dome 1
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After the battle ...
Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]
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Cruiser 299.971 ( -29 )
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Defender SnowStorm [YTF]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
143.986.080 Metal, 138.616.161 Crystal and 149.355.999 Deuterium
317.793.710 Metal, 69.307.504 Crystal and 445.089.125 Deuterium
158.896.855 Metal, 34.653.752 Crystal and 222.544.563 Deuterium
79.448.428 Metal, 17.326.876 Crystal and 111.272.281 Deuterium
39.724.214 Metal, 8.663.438 Crystal and 55.636.141 Deuterium
19.862.107 Metal, 4.331.719 Crystal and 27.818.070 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 841.000 units.
Total damage attacker including follow-ups: 849.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 974.830.000 units.
Total damage defender including follow-ups: 979.040.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 340.640.300 metal and 340.083.800 crystal.
Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 2.800 metal and 2.800 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 2.044.327.023 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
The attacker(s) captured the debris.
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 1.099.770.494
Crystal: 612.779.050
Deuterium: 1.011.658.179
The attacker(s) made a profit of 2.724.207.723 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -1.251.108.394
Crystal: -758.590.450
Deuterium: -1.013.668.179
The defender(s) lost a total of 3.023.367.023 units.
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See part 1 in the link:
On 29-08-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Singularity
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Deathstar 40.000
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Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]
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Small Cargo 3.100
Large Cargo 2.287.954
Light Fighter 15.832.658
Heavy Fighter 265
Cruiser 179
Battleship 18
Colony Ship 2
Recycler 1
Espionage Probe 38.619
Bomber 159
Solar Satellite 1.078
Destroyer 20
Deathstar 1
Battlecruiser 2
Crawler 1.052
Reaper 23
Pathfinder 152.879
Rocket Launcher 64.849
Light Laser 26.834
Heavy Laser 1.597
Gauss Cannon 58
Ion Cannon 226
Plasma Turret 1.000
Small Shield Dome 1
Large Shield Dome 1
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After the battle ...
Attacker Singularity
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Deathstar 40.000 ( -0 )
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Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
271.479.216 Metal, 489.884.107 Crystal and 348.374.035 Deuterium
135.739.608 Metal, 244.942.054 Crystal and 174.187.018 Deuterium
67.869.804 Metal, 122.471.027 Crystal and 87.093.509 Deuterium
0 Metal, 39.851.271 Crystal and 65.320.131 Deuterium
0 Metal, 9.962.817 Crystal and 16.330.033 Deuterium
0 Metal, 2.491.994 Crystal and 4.083.954 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 0 units.
The defender lost a total of 95.954.198.000 units.
Total damage defender including follow-ups: 96.915.321.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 43.735.446.300 metal and 22.340.916.500 crystal.
Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 428.400 metal and 428.400 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 2.080.080.578 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
The attacker(s) captured the debris.
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 44.210.963.328
Crystal: 23.250.948.170
Deuterium: 695.388.680
The attacker(s) made a profit of 68.157.300.178 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -63.876.454.628
Crystal: -33.084.088.270
Deuterium: -2.034.858.680
The defender(s) lost a total of 98.995.401.578 units.
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Greetings community
It brings me pleasure to be able to post a big hit. It's been a while.
There isn't much to say on the hit itself. Moons were turned to dust, deployments were recalled, the fleets were locked, someone tried a payment ban, & then the hits happened.
See below for part 2:
Enjoy the damage. Beats an expedition right?
On 29-08-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Singularity
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Deathstar 40.000
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Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]
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Small Cargo 752.006
Large Cargo 2.230.247
Light Fighter 15.892.989
Heavy Fighter 271.404
Cruiser 120.525
Battleship 76.128
Colony Ship 12
Recycler 77.371
Espionage Probe 1.994.434
Bomber 29.559
Solar Satellite 201
Destroyer 24.477
Deathstar 17
Battlecruiser 8
Crawler 1.066
Reaper 14.800
Pathfinder 102.019
Rocket Launcher 152.294
Light Laser 44.871
Heavy Laser 360
Ion Cannon 919
Plasma Turret 632
Small Shield Dome 1
Large Shield Dome 1
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After the battle ...
Attacker Singularity
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Deathstar 40.000 ( -0 )
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Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
47.762.020 Metal, 16.531.796 Crystal and 448.038.554 Deuterium
23.881.010 Metal, 8.265.898 Crystal and 224.019.277 Deuterium
11.940.505 Metal, 4.132.949 Crystal and 112.009.639 Deuterium
5.457.012 Metal, 0 Crystal and 84.008.032 Deuterium
1.367.126 Metal, 0 Crystal and 21.002.885 Deuterium
0 Metal, 0 Crystal and 0 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 0 units.
The defender lost a total of 119.421.359.500 units.
Total damage defender including follow-ups: 120.868.715.500 units.
At these space coordinates now float 53.137.748.300 metal and 28.480.590.600 crystal.
Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 197.400 metal and 197.400 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 1.008.416.703 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
The attacker(s) captured the debris.
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 53.228.353.373
Crystal: 28.509.718.643
Deuterium: 889.078.387
The attacker(s) made a profit of 82.627.150.403 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -77.638.276.173
Crystal: -40.940.107.143
Deuterium: -3.298.748.887
The defender(s) lost a total of 121.877.132.203 units.
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To answer the next question, your minimum barrier to unrestricted universe access sits roughly around 800m to 900m points worldwide.
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The hypocrisy is amazing.
Either way, nice damage.
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Nice pineapple.
Enjoy the spoils.
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Best thing to do is to submit a ticket with the combat APIs attached.
This seems to be a legit bug though.
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Display MoreSurely there's some things to be dissatisfied about, things outside of player's control.
- Universe parameters are very critical to growth potential. You can adapt to a certain extent, but there will always be a big difference between best and worst params for expo.
- Effect of luck. By now, outliers such as "0 black holes in two months" and "30 black holes in two months" are not uncommon, same thing for pirates/aliens.
Universe conditions and luck have always been a factor, but to a much smaller extent.
And that's all disregarding the fact that while it is possible to adapt, that doesn't mean people should not complain. I'm certainly not happy about playing a 0 lvl mines weapons 3 account, waking up 6 times a night, and having a day-job of oManagement.
Couple quotes:
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."
"It is the responsibility of developers to protect the players from themselves"
+1 to a grand reset(in whatever form), of course
I don't disagree with any of what you're saying. I'm just seeing two different camps calling for changes. I'm cynical about the motives of one half whilst I just hope people keep in their minds that a fix to the marketplace/discoverer aren't going to solve everything that the player base at large thinks is wrong with the game as it is. That's all.
Furthermore, I'd encourage people to focus their discussions on possible solutions & keep the conversations constructive. Contrary to popular belief, the folks at GameForge do read these threads for ideas. If there's a feasible idea that comes up that is actually a good idea & gains traction then there's a better chance that it'll be implemented. I know that's been said before, probably in this thread as well, but I feel it's an important point for people to keep in the back of their minds. On the flip side, if there's an idea that's gaining traction & it's a bad idea, chances are that it isn't going to get implemented. Perhaps this is something the "folks at GameForge" could do with talking about in these threads.
Anyway, back to the popcorn.
Well, according to that, if GF is looking for something different than complitely remove the expo DF, just increase the BH % proportional to the fleet size sent on expos up to 50%
I'm not sure BH is the correct way to approach it myself. My thought was to "cap" expos in terms of the points/rank etc. of the player sending them. In other words, smaller players would get more, better, results from expeditions whilst the likelihood of said results scale. This doesn't stop someone with bots from sending multiple waves with smaller accounts & pushing but it's a start.
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Surely there's some things to be dissatisfied about, things outside of player's control.
- Universe parameters are very critical to growth potential. You can adapt to a certain extent, but there will always be a big difference between best and worst params for expo.
- Effect of luck. By now, outliers such as "0 black holes in two months" and "30 black holes in two months" are not uncommon, same thing for pirates/aliens.
Universe conditions and luck have always been a factor, but to a much smaller extent.
And that's all disregarding the fact that while it is possible to adapt, that doesn't mean people should not complain. I'm certainly not happy about playing a 0 lvl mines weapons 3 account, waking up 6 times a night, and having a day-job of oManagement.
Couple quotes:
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."
"It is the responsibility of developers to protect the players from themselves"
+1 to a grand reset(in whatever form), of course
I don't disagree with any of what you're saying. I'm just seeing two different camps calling for changes. I'm cynical about the motives of one half whilst I just hope people keep in their minds that a fix to the marketplace/discoverer aren't going to solve everything that the player base at large thinks is wrong with the game as it is. That's all.
Furthermore, I'd encourage people to focus their discussions on possible solutions & keep the conversations constructive. Contrary to popular belief, the folks at GameForge do read these threads for ideas. If there's a feasible idea that comes up that is actually a good idea & gains traction then there's a better chance that it'll be implemented. I know that's been said before, probably in this thread as well, but I feel it's an important point for people to keep in the back of their minds. On the flip side, if there's an idea that's gaining traction & it's a bad idea, chances are that it isn't going to get implemented. Perhaps this is something the "folks at GameForge" could do with talking about in these threads.
Anyway, back to the popcorn.
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Even if there's a silver bullet to solve the problems in v7 that's not going to fix everything else in the game. Rampant bot abuse, buying/selling accounts, account sharing etc.
From my perspective at least 1 player like Crvt can achieve what he did through sweat & tears & teamwork so that should provide some level of inspiration to players who are kicking & screaming about version 7. As far as I can tell it didn't take any rampant bot abuse, any buying/selling of accounts, any account sharing through whatever RDP app appeals to you.
As ever really, you just have to adapt to the climate or leave it entirely. He certainly did. Why can't anyone else?
My hope is that there's a version 8... 9... whatever version it is, that creates an isolated set of new universes as a new beginning where all of the above problems are solved & whoever remains can enjoy the game everyone is nostalgic for. Would I play that new environment? Probably. There's a reason why I like OGame & if there was a grand reset like I suggested I wouldn't just up & quit because of that. We could then happily leave the old world (current universes) to demolish themselves come the merge updates.
In the meantime though, I'll still be lurking around.
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Nice smash. I see some things don't change.
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The game as we all love and remember unfortunately "died" a decade ago.
However, whilst we're talking about things that are currently wrong, let's not forget the thing everyone hated before bots became a real issue. Account sharing via tools such as Teamviewer etc.
Speaking as a player, I honestly don't know what the "fix" is now. The can of worms was opened so long ago that generations of worm families have since grown up & died either to old age or being eaten by a bird. Playing devil's advocate for a moment, would a fix like you're suggesting even fix anything? I'm not sure anything short of a rollback to 2017 would honestly help.
That's my .50 cents at least.
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Taco should be more careful on Tuesdays.
Fun thread. Keep it up
