Posts by Kaldor

    I agree with this in principle. The issue right now with the latest update is the black hole rate stays the same forcing the vast majority of discoverer players, if not all of them, to switch over to collector. To put it even more simply, this update eliminates half the profit whilst the operating costs (fuel/aliens/black holes/core explosions) stay the same as before (which seem to have increased a lot over the past few weeks).


    All it takes is some bad luck to eliminate a fleet to rng with the current update which isn't a nerf so much as it's the total destruction of a class for 99.9% of the discoverer playerbase, large or small.

    I'll go into more depth at somepoint later on the changes, the classes, and well everything else but I thought I'd offer up a quick hot-take.


    Hot-take:


    The meta has shifted further into the hands of "players with large networks" (see spoiler) with this update. I don't see any viable option for a solo player to be competitive whereas pre-update, as unbalanced/overpowered as the discoverer was, at least it gave solo players half a chance if they played their hand right.



    Like I said though, I'll be posting a more nuanced take on things later.

    I like the idea.


    Are you thinking of something where everyone signs up for a new universe, is given a fleet and some fuel, and last player standing wins?


    Another fine smash. Gz!


    On 02-09-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]

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    Battleship 150.000

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    Defender Accor [YTF]

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    Small Cargo 9.736

    Large Cargo 75.500

    Light Fighter 222

    Heavy Fighter 102

    Cruiser 66

    Battleship 35

    Recycler 1

    Espionage Probe 1.440

    Bomber 4

    Deathstar 42

    Battlecruiser 10

    Pathfinder 82

    Small Shield Dome 1

    _________________________________________



    After the battle ...


    Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]

    ________________________________________________


    Battleship 146.742 ( -3.258 )

    _________________________________________


    Defender Accor [YTF]

    ________________________________________________


    Destroyed!

    _________________________________________



    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    132.067.800 Metal, 132.067.800 Crystal and 132.067.800 Deuterium

    253.718.076 Metal, 362.844.839 Crystal and 77.833.285 Deuterium

    63.429.519 Metal, 90.711.210 Crystal and 19.458.321 Deuterium

    15.857.380 Metal, 22.677.802 Crystal and 4.864.581 Deuterium

    3.964.345 Metal, 5.669.451 Crystal and 1.216.145 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 195.480.000 units.

    The defender lost a total of 1.376.096.000 units.

    Total damage defender including follow-ups: 1.376.116.000 units.


    At these space coordinates now float 584.094.700 metal and 485.894.500 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 1.318.448.354 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

    ________________________________________________


    Debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    584.094.700 Metal and 485.940.700 Crystal



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 906.521.820

    Crystal: 1.051.041.802

    Deuterium: 235.440.132

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 2.193.003.754 units.


    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -1.156.868.120

    Crystal: -1.259.256.102

    Deuterium: -278.440.132

    The defender(s) lost a total of 2.694.564.354 units.



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    Another post for the same friend. Nice smash & great profits!!


    On 02-09-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]

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    Battleship 300.000

    Battlecruiser 475.612

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    Defender Alan [YTF]

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    Small Cargo 204.174

    Large Cargo 124.134

    Light Fighter 194.757

    Heavy Fighter 15.955

    Cruiser 32.213

    Battleship 4.479

    Colony Ship 168

    Recycler 5.929

    Espionage Probe 132.175

    Bomber 4.939

    Destroyer 13.774

    Deathstar 287

    Battlecruiser 24.704

    Reaper 331

    Pathfinder 41.196

    _________________________________________



    After the battle ...


    Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]

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    Battleship 289.612 ( -10.388 )

    Battlecruiser 460.877 ( -14.735 )

    _________________________________________


    Defender Alan [YTF]

    ________________________________________________


    Destroyed!

    _________________________________________



    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    518.149.504 Metal, 518.149.505 Crystal and 367.837.341 Deuterium

    152.454.421 Metal, 1.086.713.927 Crystal and 91.959.335 Deuterium

    38.113.605 Metal, 271.678.482 Crystal and 22.989.834 Deuterium

    9.528.402 Metal, 67.919.620 Crystal and 5.747.458 Deuterium

    2.382.100 Metal, 16.979.905 Crystal and 1.436.865 Deuterium

    607.424.564 Metal, 161.334.035 Crystal and 92.479.635 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 1.875.755.000 units.

    Total damage attacker including follow-ups: 2.007.642.000 units.


    The defender lost a total of 13.159.552.000 units.

    Total damage defender including follow-ups: 13.974.723.000 units.


    At these space coordinates now float 5.079.662.700 metal and 4.343.649.800 crystal.

    Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 108.530.800 metal and 89.768.000 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 4.033.278.538 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

    ________________________________________________


    Debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    108.530.800 Metal and 89.768.000 Crystal

    5.079.662.700 Metal and 4.343.655.050 Crystal


    Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    5.188.193.500 Metal and 4.433.423.050 Crystal



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 5.511.286.096

    Crystal: 5.774.963.524

    Deuterium: 361.003.468

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 11.647.253.088 units.


    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -8.154.754.596

    Crystal: -7.830.564.474

    Deuterium: -2.022.682.468

    The defender(s) lost a total of 18.008.001.538 units.



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    Posting for a friend. Nice smash!


    On 31-08-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]

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    Cruiser 300.000

    _________________________________________


    Defender SnowStorm [YTF]

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    Small Cargo 100

    Large Cargo 80.100

    Light Fighter 30

    Heavy Fighter 32

    Cruiser 13

    Battleship 11

    Colony Ship 9

    Recycler 7

    Bomber 32

    Battlecruiser 74

    Pathfinder 29

    Rocket Launcher 589

    Small Shield Dome 1

    _________________________________________



    After the battle ...


    Attacker Shadowbringer [YoRHa]

    ________________________________________________


    Cruiser 299.971 ( -29 )

    _________________________________________


    Defender SnowStorm [YTF]

    ________________________________________________


    Destroyed!

    _________________________________________



    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    143.986.080 Metal, 138.616.161 Crystal and 149.355.999 Deuterium

    317.793.710 Metal, 69.307.504 Crystal and 445.089.125 Deuterium

    158.896.855 Metal, 34.653.752 Crystal and 222.544.563 Deuterium

    79.448.428 Metal, 17.326.876 Crystal and 111.272.281 Deuterium

    39.724.214 Metal, 8.663.438 Crystal and 55.636.141 Deuterium

    19.862.107 Metal, 4.331.719 Crystal and 27.818.070 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 841.000 units.

    Total damage attacker including follow-ups: 849.000 units.


    The defender lost a total of 974.830.000 units.

    Total damage defender including follow-ups: 979.040.000 units.


    At these space coordinates now float 340.640.300 metal and 340.083.800 crystal.

    Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 2.800 metal and 2.800 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 2.044.327.023 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

    The attacker(s) captured the debris.



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 1.099.770.494

    Crystal: 612.779.050

    Deuterium: 1.011.658.179

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 2.724.207.723 units.


    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -1.251.108.394

    Crystal: -758.590.450

    Deuterium: -1.013.668.179

    The defender(s) lost a total of 3.023.367.023 units.



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    See part 1 in the link:

    [TOT: 119.421.359.500] Singularity vs. Tiger Roll [Fleet] (A: 0, D: 119.421.359.500) (TP: 82.627.150.403) - Part 1 - Deployment Return


    On 29-08-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker Singularity

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    Deathstar 40.000

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    Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]

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    Small Cargo 3.100

    Large Cargo 2.287.954

    Light Fighter 15.832.658

    Heavy Fighter 265

    Cruiser 179

    Battleship 18

    Colony Ship 2

    Recycler 1

    Espionage Probe 38.619

    Bomber 159

    Solar Satellite 1.078

    Destroyer 20

    Deathstar 1

    Battlecruiser 2

    Crawler 1.052

    Reaper 23

    Pathfinder 152.879

    Rocket Launcher 64.849

    Light Laser 26.834

    Heavy Laser 1.597

    Gauss Cannon 58

    Ion Cannon 226

    Plasma Turret 1.000

    Small Shield Dome 1

    Large Shield Dome 1

    _________________________________________



    After the battle ...


    Attacker Singularity

    ________________________________________________


    Deathstar 40.000 ( -0 )

    _________________________________________


    Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]

    ________________________________________________


    Destroyed!

    _________________________________________



    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    271.479.216 Metal, 489.884.107 Crystal and 348.374.035 Deuterium

    135.739.608 Metal, 244.942.054 Crystal and 174.187.018 Deuterium

    67.869.804 Metal, 122.471.027 Crystal and 87.093.509 Deuterium

    0 Metal, 39.851.271 Crystal and 65.320.131 Deuterium

    0 Metal, 9.962.817 Crystal and 16.330.033 Deuterium

    0 Metal, 2.491.994 Crystal and 4.083.954 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 0 units.

    The defender lost a total of 95.954.198.000 units.

    Total damage defender including follow-ups: 96.915.321.000 units.


    At these space coordinates now float 43.735.446.300 metal and 22.340.916.500 crystal.

    Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 428.400 metal and 428.400 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 2.080.080.578 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

    The attacker(s) captured the debris.



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 44.210.963.328

    Crystal: 23.250.948.170

    Deuterium: 695.388.680

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 68.157.300.178 units.


    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -63.876.454.628

    Crystal: -33.084.088.270

    Deuterium: -2.034.858.680

    The defender(s) lost a total of 98.995.401.578 units.



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    Greetings community :hi:


    It brings me pleasure to be able to post a big hit. It's been a while.


    There isn't much to say on the hit itself. Moons were turned to dust, deployments were recalled, the fleets were locked, someone tried a payment ban, & then the hits happened.


    See below for part 2:

    [TOT: 95.954.198.000] Singularity vs. Tiger Roll [Fleet] (A: 0, D: 95.954.198.000) (TP: 68.157.300.178) - Part 2 - Deployment Return


    Enjoy the damage. Beats an expedition right? :huntsman:



    On 29-08-2020 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker Singularity

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    Deathstar 40.000

    _________________________________________


    Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]

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    Small Cargo 752.006

    Large Cargo 2.230.247

    Light Fighter 15.892.989

    Heavy Fighter 271.404

    Cruiser 120.525

    Battleship 76.128

    Colony Ship 12

    Recycler 77.371

    Espionage Probe 1.994.434

    Bomber 29.559

    Solar Satellite 201

    Destroyer 24.477

    Deathstar 17

    Battlecruiser 8

    Crawler 1.066

    Reaper 14.800

    Pathfinder 102.019

    Rocket Launcher 152.294

    Light Laser 44.871

    Heavy Laser 360

    Ion Cannon 919

    Plasma Turret 632

    Small Shield Dome 1

    Large Shield Dome 1

    _________________________________________



    After the battle ...


    Attacker Singularity

    ________________________________________________


    Deathstar 40.000 ( -0 )

    _________________________________________


    Defender Tiger Roll [Fleet]

    ________________________________________________


    Destroyed!

    _________________________________________



    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    47.762.020 Metal, 16.531.796 Crystal and 448.038.554 Deuterium

    23.881.010 Metal, 8.265.898 Crystal and 224.019.277 Deuterium

    11.940.505 Metal, 4.132.949 Crystal and 112.009.639 Deuterium

    5.457.012 Metal, 0 Crystal and 84.008.032 Deuterium

    1.367.126 Metal, 0 Crystal and 21.002.885 Deuterium

    0 Metal, 0 Crystal and 0 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 0 units.

    The defender lost a total of 119.421.359.500 units.

    Total damage defender including follow-ups: 120.868.715.500 units.


    At these space coordinates now float 53.137.748.300 metal and 28.480.590.600 crystal.

    Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 197.400 metal and 197.400 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 1.008.416.703 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

    The attacker(s) captured the debris.



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 53.228.353.373

    Crystal: 28.509.718.643

    Deuterium: 889.078.387

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 82.627.150.403 units.


    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -77.638.276.173

    Crystal: -40.940.107.143

    Deuterium: -3.298.748.887

    The defender(s) lost a total of 121.877.132.203 units.



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    I'm not sure BH is the correct way to approach it myself. My thought was to "cap" expos in terms of the points/rank etc. of the player sending them. In other words, smaller players would get more, better, results from expeditions whilst the likelihood of said results scale. This doesn't stop someone with bots from sending multiple waves with smaller accounts & pushing but it's a start.


    I don't disagree with any of what you're saying. I'm just seeing two different camps calling for changes. I'm cynical about the motives of one half whilst I just hope people keep in their minds that a fix to the marketplace/discoverer aren't going to solve everything that the player base at large thinks is wrong with the game as it is. That's all.


    Furthermore, I'd encourage people to focus their discussions on possible solutions & keep the conversations constructive. Contrary to popular belief, the folks at GameForge do read these threads for ideas. If there's a feasible idea that comes up that is actually a good idea & gains traction then there's a better chance that it'll be implemented. I know that's been said before, probably in this thread as well, but I feel it's an important point for people to keep in the back of their minds. On the flip side, if there's an idea that's gaining traction & it's a bad idea, chances are that it isn't going to get implemented. Perhaps this is something the "folks at GameForge" could do with talking about in these threads.


    Anyway, back to the popcorn. :zpopcorn:

    Even if there's a silver bullet to solve the problems in v7 that's not going to fix everything else in the game. Rampant bot abuse, buying/selling accounts, account sharing etc.


    From my perspective at least 1 player like Crvt can achieve what he did through sweat & tears & teamwork so that should provide some level of inspiration to players who are kicking & screaming about version 7. As far as I can tell it didn't take any rampant bot abuse, any buying/selling of accounts, any account sharing through whatever RDP app appeals to you.


    As ever really, you just have to adapt to the climate or leave it entirely. He certainly did. Why can't anyone else?


    My hope is that there's a version 8... 9... whatever version it is, that creates an isolated set of new universes as a new beginning where all of the above problems are solved & whoever remains can enjoy the game everyone is nostalgic for. Would I play that new environment? Probably. There's a reason why I like OGame & if there was a grand reset like I suggested I wouldn't just up & quit because of that. We could then happily leave the old world (current universes) to demolish themselves come the merge updates.


    In the meantime though, I'll still be lurking around.


    :zpopcorn:

    The game as we all love and remember unfortunately "died" a decade ago.


    However, whilst we're talking about things that are currently wrong, let's not forget the thing everyone hated before bots became a real issue. Account sharing via tools such as Teamviewer etc.


    Speaking as a player, I honestly don't know what the "fix" is now. The can of worms was opened so long ago that generations of worm families have since grown up & died either to old age or being eaten by a bird. Playing devil's advocate for a moment, would a fix like you're suggesting even fix anything? I'm not sure anything short of a rollback to 2017 would honestly help.


    That's my .50 cents at least.