Posts by gufengqu

Kaldor wrote:

I'll go into more depth at somepoint later on the changes, the classes, and well everything else but I thought I'd offer up a quick hot-take.

Hot-take:

The meta has shifted further into the hands of "players with large networks" (see spoiler) with this update. I don't see any viable option for a solo player to be competitive whereas pre-update, as unbalanced/overpowered as the discoverer was, at least it gave solo players half a chance if they played their hand right.

Like I said though, I'll be posting a more nuanced take on things later.

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Players with large networks = bots

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agree. with cloudy bot, even a newbie is power overwelming.

don't care about any change.

I was buying DM in the past 10 years. $5, $50, $500, $5000 or so.

but I don't buy any more in 2020. after all the dispointment to the game.

Museko Style wrote:

i think it is cool t osay what you think and your wiew on the stuff

it is not a big problem to get a warning, or even to get part of your post deleted

but keep in mind, all you say it can be said using some different words, it is not about what you say but more so about the way you do it

you can say the meanest stuff while handeling it with respect and grace, more often than not board team cant do a thing just because of your wording

use swear words and bashing style, see your post get censured, no one reads it and then come again here sobbing about board mods

we are all humans and this community represents the state we have in RL

we know the state of things, bouth players, teamlers and GF

teamlers have their hands and even more mouth tied by GF
all that is left is to read signs GF is giving us and playing by its rules because we agreed to T&C

GF chose for Ogame to be like this, so we play like this

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we can choose not to play

delireus wrote:

NiNN wrote:

gufengqu wrote:

surely bot is permitted.

I have complain a 24*7 bot for more than 1 month, but anything happen? no. SGO told me that he is a very clean player, a so good player that can stay before computer and reflesh his account every minute

and how do I know that he is 24*7? just because I use another 2 bots myself to record it, LOL.

the game is becoming so dirty while GOs are still playing dumb and forbidding discussion about it.

just like Trump.

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In fact, hey ARE prohibited. I don't really know it in other communities - but I've dealt with enough in .de.

But nice that you're complaining about others using bots - but doing yourself so as well...

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I don't know how the guy of the comment is acting, but in my test, we proceeded like this:

- I created a regular account on server X

- My friend created a full botted account on server X

- I started reporting his account N times

So he ACTUALLY botted, and i was ACTUALLY reporting it. This means that it's not a situation that someone is SUPPOSING others are botting, but is something SURE. Even in these conditions, it took an average of 1 month to get the account banned on 3 different regional communities.

In .it, the bot is still running happily since feb, it is a known bot in the server he plays, many reports, but still nothing has been done.

And btw, 1 month average is ridiculous as in 1 month on a x6-x7 server means that you are destroying economy and standings for a month to lawfully playing people.

This is why I think that GO/SGO should not just be selected for the amount of spare time that they have to dedicate to pressing random keys on the admin console.

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I don't think they have an effective tool to test if that's a bot.

but even with human eyes, how can a player active for 24 * 7 ?

no, they do nothing.

NiNN wrote:

gufengqu wrote:

surely bot is permitted.

I have complain a 24*7 bot for more than 1 month, but anything happen? no. SGO told me that he is a very clean player, a so good player that can stay before computer and reflesh his account every minute

and how do I know that he is 24*7? just because I use another 2 bots myself to record it, LOL.

the game is becoming so dirty while GOs are still playing dumb and forbidding discussion about it.

just like Trump.

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In fact, hey ARE prohibited. I don't really know it in other communities - but I've dealt with enough in .de.

But nice that you're complaining about others using bots - but doing yourself so as well...

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although not my main account, but indeed my other small account, so can you ban all the bots, can you?

I hope so. but I know nothing will change.

surely bot is permitted.

I have complain a 24*7 bot for more than 1 month, but anything happen? no. SGO told me that he is a very clean player, a so good player that can stay before computer and reflesh his account every minute

and how do I know that he is 24*7? just because I use another 2 bots myself to record it, LOL.

the game is becoming so dirty while GOs are still playing dumb and forbidding discussion about it.

just like Trump.

Misleading information and admitting to cheating. Warning. Cassandra

good hit, but the profit is too small~~~hahaha.....

wheatly wrote:

Wraith02 wrote:

You do?

Congrats.. good for you I guess.

I Smegging despise them, and I know I'm not alone in thinking they have broken the game, and utterly decimated the balancing.

I've spent nearly 16 years in this game (and I guess I count as older then even the majority of the dinosaurs), and with the exceptions of merchwhores, and persistent pushers/scrappers or DM queens nearly every account at the top have gotten there through hard work and fleet crashes, often of many people as the accounts switch hands from time to time, but hard work nevertheless.

I've spent a lot of time and effort building my u1 account since almost the start of .org, through my mines, farming inactives and the occasional hit over the years, something that I haven't stopped doing. Now there are accounts that aren't even a tenth of the age of my account pulling billions of resources effectively out of their arses, on a daily basis and flying past me in the points or rank. I utterly refuse to justify this Arnold Rimmer of an attempt at Game Design by spending any more money on this game "just to keep up", so my days of buying DM, even during the 50% events that I restricted myself to are gone.

The enjoyment of the game for most was never about having billions of ress to play with, it's how you got them, the hard work of farming, crashing etc

Now.. with most people doing nothing but expos.. I have to ask you, where is the "hard work"? other then a few people giving tips on what fleet composition to send, where's the team work (not counting marketplace pushing..)? where's the spending days / weeks watching someone's habits before moving in to crash them? Where are the ACS hits or defends? Where's the adrenalin rush of flying your fleet for what would be your biggest hit against a rival? The Moon pops? etc..

I used to enjoy keeping an eye on the stats in game, or MMORPG and watch if I can see any hits going down.. now those stats are 90% filled with expo fights and very little actually PvP that the game is based around.

I've said it before in other threads, Gameforge took a minor side quest and gave it far, far greater rewards then the main "story line" for almost none of the work.

There's none of the excitement left.. find a juicy target, pass it on to "so called fleeters" and their reaction most of the time is "meh, that Xb in DF and Yb in loot is only a few pirates or aliens.. not worth the effort".

So, I'm glad you enjoy it.. for most of the rest of us.. Version 7, the Discoverer class and for other reasons the Marketplace has killed the team work, the excitement, and with it the game. A lot of my friends that have kept me here over the years have "retired" or seriously considering retiring almost en-mass, at this rate it won't be long until even my stubborn streak (which has kept me here so long) won't be able fight the call to quit any longer.

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Take away expos, and your argument is still there, where is "Watching" (no one to watch), where is the "ACS hits" (no one to crash), where is the "adrenalin " (No one to decimate). Your only ligit arguement is that newer accounts have passed you instead of you sitting on your high points that were accumulated over a long period of time and that no new player would be able to pass you until you quit. Tell me where is the fun and competion in that?

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After Thought,

How do you expect to attract new players to join ogame and play if there is no chance of ever being number 1, due to the "YEARS" it takes to get there, which only would happen if the top player quits everytime. Once a new player can not pass the top player the game is pretty much dead.

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why do you think a new player can pass the top player by exp?

do you really know what does geometric progression growth mean?

The old king will remain their position in the new days.

They spend more money and time in ogame. Why do you think they will be weaker than newbies?

Before V7, I'm rank 1 in my Univer, and after V7, I'm rank 1 too.

The only difference is that there is a growing gap between me and the lower player.

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Why do I hate exp?

When my team plans and execute on a big target, it may take weeks and a lot of preparation, and finally it's 100b TD, which everyone enjoy the joy.

However, all we have to do now is exp, we build, send, recycle, meet black holes and rebuild. I can complete more than 100b TD in a single day, which is really a mockery to all the efforts in the past.

good hit

bl0ndie wrote:

From my experience clock works in seconds, there are no milliseconds. If 2 fleet movements have the same second timing then what is sent first will land first.

For example, if you send recs before your attack fleet and time them both same second then the recs wont harvest any DF cause they will arrive before attack fleet.

In this case I would guess that the attack fleet mission was created while expo fleet was in deep space and expedition return actually reset the timer and changed the fleet landing order making the attacking fleet in front of the expo return. Just a guess though, but its only logical explanation to me. Been a while since I tested same second fleet movements so might be wrong.

SGO reply to me, there is no rule of "fist launch first arrive", even in the old days.

so if I want 100% hit , I need to time 1 second later. otherwise I may miss in the same second.

I'm really puzzled about that. what he said is quite different with my 16 years experience.

bl0ndie wrote:

根据我的经验，时钟以秒为单位，没有毫秒。如果2个机队的运动具有相同的第二时间，则先发送的将首先降落。

例如，如果您在攻击舰队之前发送记录，并同时对它们进行计时，那么记录员将不会收获任何DF，因为它们将在攻击舰队之前到达。

在这种情况下，我猜想攻击舰队的任务是在博览会舰队处于深空时创建的，而远征返回实际上重置了计时器并更改了舰队着陆顺序，使攻击舰队位于世博返回之前。虽然只是一个猜测，但这对我来说是唯一合乎逻辑的解释。自从我测试了相同的第二舰队动作以来已有一段时间了，所以可能是错误的。

what I think is same with you

go after an exp returning fleet in same second. then fail to catch it.

Museko Style wrote:

Silverwind wrote:

Sadly, Ogame is reduced to one thing now: Expo, put winnings in expo fleet when it returns, repeat.

The fixes are exceptionally quick and easy:

Go into the code and shave the max amount of aliens/pirates possibly encountered to something reasonable that doesn't promote exponential growth.

Shut the market place off.

Disco being overpowered promotes scripting, multi accounting and pushing.

Market place promotes scripting, multi accounting, and pushing.

Funny the biggest problems in the game right now are scripting, multi, and pushing.

HMMMMMMMMMM..........no correlation here, right?

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it is almoust as they want us to scrypt, multy and push

mby in a month or two the new ogame feature will be some scrypt that automates stuff and you pay it in DM like some commander, 6months later they add a new commander that lets you have 3 acc in the same uni, but you pay 3m DM monthly

and last thing is theyll add a payment in DM so you can push yourself, pay 100k dm for a 100m ress transaction

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no one would buy DM, with the DM from exp, and cloudy bots, and market pushing, we can do more

at least disable merchant and market.

that would make bots pusher unprofitable.

the bug appeared right after version 7, and until today, no fix made.

S0NG. wrote:

piink Any answer on this?As i said before before doing merge,there are bigger problems to solve.Bot ,script users and players that grow in month few hundred million points..with all multi accs they have.Until you piink stay inactive on the board this game and this community will vanish in few years.As Coma you need to do something with your collegues in GF,or just money matters from some players even if they are cheaters?

when a new player come, he pay for a bot, and then use the bot to exp 24 hours, buy comander with DM from exp, needless to buy any more, he is very happy.

I don't know where GF earn moeny from? except GF develop the bot themselves

Crvt wrote:

gufengqu wrote:

1. 0.5% duet comsup ( most important)

2. many accounts building battleship and sell them in market ( The faster capital flows, the higher profit )

3. he can exp 24 hours per day ( we all know what does it mean)

1. Actually, 60%. And x3 fleet speed, which isn't optimal by any means. Just started early and never used a bad composition.
2. That is correct, and scaling is a big factor for exponential growth @ expos.
3. It means that I don't need to fleetsave, and lose sleep to do it. Not 24 hours per day, either...I clock about 100 expos a day, which is 12.5 waves. 24 hours would be 16 expo waves, if you account for delays, probably something like 15.

0.5 and 6x is best.

I'm in a speed 3x server too, but I can only exp arould 80 waves per day ：竖起大拇指：

Lonestar wrote:

I'm hardly an expert, I am not running RIPs in expo

But it is clear it would save me billions of deut a week to use rips instead of lf/lc or BC

RIPs are still very good even at higher "normal" techs, but you cannot achieve fights without losses
It has been a while since I ran the sims on the rips, but I suggest you check yourself.

As for losing the fleet... Most common expo fleet comps pay themselves off after 15-20 expo battles

LF/LC, BC, RIPs will all work in the long term.

This is why that RU account is now worth 20T res after 7 weeks.

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no you are wrong, to exp with DS is not a good idea.

our group start exp some months before, but until now, it's still too bad. see the picture. the point growing is very diappoint as DS loss too much in black hole.

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why the world top 1 grow so fast. I think :

1. 0.5% duet comsup ( most important)

2. many accounts building battleship and sell them in market ( The faster capital flows, the higher profit )

3. he can exp 24 hours per day ( we all know what does it mean)

As I know, the world top 1 use weapon 3 battleship to exp

and surely the exp is exponential growth, so now he is 18B points, and some weeks later he will be 180B points

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about bot and market push, I think we can't talk too much here, on a board lack of speech freedom, talking too much would lead to lock and ban.

GO will tell us they are doing the case, but always nothing happen, so I think it's time to bot ourself, or leave the game