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Posts by Crash Bandicoot
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Wait, I just want to be sure I understand this correctly...
People complain Gameforge does not listen to their player base, and yet when they do show they listen to their player base by providing something which is often requested, then people complain because they listened?
Am I understanding that correctly?The problem is not this, it is the way they've done it (the range, limitations...).
GF is forcing people to spend money
Wait when they will nerf discoverer class, to force you to turn back to the pvp, especially when you have no mines. You will see the hunters wake up and go around the unis, out of their caves. It will be the dark age of OG...move with your money or be hitted (sadly).
if the top accounts worldwide are delimited, we all should be.
That's pretty much all that is needed to be said.
Danimanza while i am waiting the answer if it will be possible to move between merchant and non-merchant uni, i want even to ask it for the market too (market <-> non-market). Just to understand what i should expect*
*I don't play anymore, from months, so i will not know what will happen...like right now, that i cannot know what is happening.
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I know what is happening ingame, and i understand the frustration. However it was pointed out many many times that it is not staff's fault. They have to prove at 100% that an user was cheating, in case he complain about the ban. They have to prove it with what GF give them. So, stop to bash the staff.
Still, my focus was another.
I'm not asking MODs to close their eye on infractions.
What i am asking is to change this way they use to moderate threads. If someone come to troll, and it seems to happen everytime, just do something against him/them, and not the entire community (closing threads).
I mean, even what DeepMiningInc said is good, just block the possibility for them to post for 1-2 days; to let them calm down. If they continue, warn and/or ban them. You don't even need to escalate the "block" (if ban or just a post-block...if possible this last one). 1-2 days to let them calm down and give peace to the community is good enough. If they continue with their actions they will be blocked every few days for 1-2 days. At the end they will understand, or just annoy us for low times every few days.
Most of the time there is no need to close a thread. Especially cause it will solve nothing if someone else will open another one and "they" shows up.
My main focus was about the forum and what MODs do. About the game i know you can do few things, and even if i understand the frustrations of the players, guys keep it for yourselves or the GF...not for the staff that have no blame. Cause i don't want the fustraction of anyone, me include, to be the reason to close a good thread.
Madoka i'm not against the warn/ban, i'm against the thing to close the threads. Closing a thread is not the solution when the problem are users. That's all.
Ps: It is strange to see how fast this thread derailed from its main purpose and is gone on the "game problem"....oh and i was wrong, i reported a guy that spammed my nick in the spam-board time ago; I forgot it.
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gasdigital say something constructive or just don't reply. Messages only to spam and point the finger or trolling the staff are not welcome. Please.
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I will try to say it as much politically correct as i can ... but i can't assure anything. If someone will be hurt by it, i'm sorry.
MODs do a volunteer job to help the community as Cassandra Vandales told me/us. Right Cassandra?
Now tell me how can a MOD that "do it for the community" close a good thread, created for a good reason, just because there are some idiots (can i say it or is it too rude?) that breach the rules.
Do you really think that is the right way to do things?...Especially to help the community?...
Warn them and after ban them if needed.
See these things literally fires me up. I can "understand" users are disrespectful and cares nothing about the right way to do things...but you MODs, which excuse do you have?
Where is written that when someone breach the rules a thread has to be closed (especially if someone asked something and/or the OP is not involved in it)?
Can we discuss about this way to moderate the forum?
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I never reported someone, Lonestar already took my first dislike, be sure to not force me to report you, cause in this thread i will do it. This is a question for the staff, allowing all others to read the answer. BE RESPECTFUL as much as you can (i know i am the first that it is not so much respectful, but i try my best)
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- Immediately
- The reset but after initially put if i'm not wrong (the next reset after 3 days*)
- They are well aware of it, but it seems nobody cared about it until now.
*Was not supposed to be 7 days? Did i miss some infos?
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Lonestar have you ever thinked it was supposed to be this way?
Why do you think they've put highest priority on the merge item and not fixing discoverer class before it?
I want to trust Danimanza, that said about OG one of the best income for GF, but the points may be only two;
- Destroying this game and end it definitely
- Worst managment ever saw.
Choice yours, i've chosen mine (B).
NOW, i have a question: Are players that play in a uni without merchant allowed to move on a uni with it?
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IMHO this item is only empowering the mess around discoverer class and expeditions.
GF, i'm waiting to see you nerfing discoverer class now.
Cause you will do it for sure and after it people will return to hunt others.
Oh look right there! There is an item to go hunting in other universes.
You think you are smart enough to have waited until now to do this move, and that nobody will be aware of it...but...you got it, right?
On top of that, not nerfing discoverer class will mean a lot of players that will leave.
So, basically, you've decided your future with your own hands.
Sadly people will use anyway their money to do "your game".
Until they will not like it..."good" for you all.
Danimanza you mean 24h attack block after it or what?
Astro Boy , old accounts are already gone thanks to discoverer class. As i pointed above, this item is only empowering that mess.
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Museko Style and Lonestar to warn players you just need to say they may be caught and need to do a recalled deploy to avoid it.
No need to say how it can be used to hunt others. That's the difference you are not aware of.
And it is not something about GF fault or not, is something to don't destroy other players game. Cause if bot allowed us to learn something is that users don't care about rules, just do what they can to be on the top.
To say it in a easier way: You disclosed too much, and disclose too much may be a damage and not a warning.
You could have stopped a little earlier. Glad GF is going to fix this in a "short" time (hopeful).
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Beyond fleet saves this bug could be used to time back PF from slot 16.
Also these ship counts disappear when sending attacks
Although again the ship number doesn't increase until the attack returns
Mate, you are the first post i disliked in my life.
"Congratulations"! i'll wait to see how this will destroy the game from now on...
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Mate, i will not say why...if i do this game will be completely broken, not worth to play* or to be in.
* I know it is already not worth to play, but some still enjoy it.
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When "you" (referred to me) see how this society treat you when you try to help them...your will to help them goes away.
At least, mine is gone.
not just this society, whole world acts similarly with some exceptions
That is the saddest thing.
I know pretty well how the world works. As people usually try to discourage you saying you are good for nothing, and they are doing you a favor to allowing you to help them.
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Goodbye Iris, enjoy the real life and your free time.
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When "you" (referred to me) see how this society treat you when you try to help them...your will to help them goes away.
At least, mine is gone.
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The more you talk about this bug the more you destroy the game.
Close this as fast as possible.
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GAVE ME A WARNING IN PMS
Man, rules applys even in private message.
You may complain via PM, but this doesn't mean you can harras others or say bad words to them.
I don't know why he/she gave you the warn, but i think is for this reason.
Remember that we all have feelings, you have to don't try to hurt them. Try to do your best wherever you are.
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People assume that there is a change then, but my experience tells me otherwise.
As i pointed out, it is because somebody came after you leaved. If nobody comes after you, then you'll see something will change, otherwise they will close the game and lose their income (in theory).
Fact is that there is everytime somebody that come after...cause teaching this to someone is not easy as it may seems.
Would be a change though if people stop thinking that are are somewhat crazies for doing this. It is simply a hobby - I could also say playing videogames is a waste of time, or watching sports etc.
Please, take what i'm going to say in the right way. I value you A LOT, and don't want you to cry for what i'm saying or let you feels bad in any way.
I have a hobby too and i like it. But everyone, me included, have to understand that action or inaction will produce an effect on others lifes. If doing my hobby i risk to damage others, then i should think twice before do it.
What i'm trying to say is that you* are clearly facing a company that don't care about their customers. Proven that, you* have to understand if your action or inaction may change something. At the current state, even considering you all (MODs --> ... --> CoMas) are doing a GREAT job, i think that don't help them would be more beneficial for the whole community.
All this, as i already said, if nobody comes after you leave.
So the point is this for me: You are doing a great job, but if you stop to help the community, you* may give, maybe, a shake to this society ("nobody after" included everytime). Then, this way, helping the community in a better way...in a needed way.
*I said "you" and not "we" cause literally i don't care anymore. I like to "talk" with the community about things, only this.
Still, i feels bad for the society you all have to deal with...I feels bad for you.
But, again, i'm not saying you should or should not.
I cannot know what will happen if you try, and if the game close definitely it may not be liked by many...you included.
Everyone has to be free to do his choice. I choiced to stop to helping this society, not playing anymore.
Feel free to do your choice. Don't be surprised if nothing change anyway.
Think the better thing you may do, then choice freely. This is not only for you, it is for everyone...cheaters and pushers included.
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the problem comes from those decision makers above them who have no interest in the community's voice or what's good for the game in the long term, and go purely by spikes in sales each week / month.
There would be no difference to this if the team were actually paid, as they would still be overruled or ignored by those above them.
...and i agree with you. This is why i think that the only way to let them understand, to let them do the right things and start to listen their communities is to let them be alone to do the job.
Will the game be shutted down? Maybe. But if they are really interested in money they will come back, say "sorry" and start to listen teamlers and customers...at least a bit.
They are the one that are forcing this day by day, people keep leaving cause their decisions.
One day they will understand, but if volunteers are there to cover their backs i think this will never happen.
Again, i'm not saying you or someone else should do it. I understand why people like this game, and i liked it too before all this.
I am just pointing out why things will never change.
They didn't make the best choices many times, true, but they are still the owners, whether we like it or not.
I like you a lot, but please don't say such a thing.
In fact, what i will never understand is how are you (all) doing to "work" for this society after all they're doing.
Sometimes the best way to help communities is to don't help the companies.
I'm referring specifically to the ones that keep ignore their customers.
I mean, they allowed pushing via marketplace and we don't even know if they're doing something about expos. There are no official announcements, only piink that come here to say she understand the player frustraction and that something need to be done. But they're trying to achieve it or they're ignoring/avoiding it?
Still the company continue to say nothing about what is needed for the game/community. No official announcements.
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I'm well aware of it Blankie, but for me you've choiced the wrong way to say a thing in the last post.
I would have said this privately, but you blocked the possibility to be added in a conversation.
Whatever, the point is another;
There is something that is lacking. I'm sure it is not teamlers based, and is not even player based cause we're here to say a lot of things. For me it is GF based.
Now, about players...ok, we know there will be someone that does things he shouldn't. But it is GF role to avoid it. Which excuse have they about all that is happening?
I mean, they allowed pushing via marketplace and we don't even know if they're doing something about expos. There are no official announcements, only piink that come here to say she understand the player frustraction and that something need to be done. But they're trying to achieve it or they're ignoring/avoiding it?
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Well - people who cheat on a large scale (minus marketplace - we all have an issue right there) do get severe punishments IF it can be proven. What would YOU hand out for certain infractions?
It is the staff here though that makes the decisions to ban people. Besides the CoMa, GF personal is not included in everyday decision making of that kind. The only exception are payment bans.
For example i will not give a ban with a vmode on those who use that system to avoid a crash/cr.
This is one of those things that i think are not handled in a right way, and in a game like OG it is even a shame.
I would like to ask you, if you would allow the attacker to get the "PAbuser" fleet after things like this, but of course you will not answer to me; cause it is something internal and the "evil ones" may abuse it if they know how it works.
Now, how can we handle this? Is simple, we can't...and the shame goes up even if you think i can't talk about this, cause i may give hints to someone with bad intenctions.
I'm not saying that all that GF does is handled bad, but some things for sure are (the one above for example).
Now i want to ask you as a teamler, what i've to expect if something like that happen?
Cause if this is how the things work and i risk to get nothing, or he risk to "get" nothing, then "i" can stop to play. What would be the reason to play if i cannot get my opponent's fleet and he is allowed to do "that" thing?
How i would have handled it? No marketplace for sure as i suggested, or just trade items with the same rarity. Resource board only to let other player knows what you are selling/looking for, but handle them with regular missions. This way no ways to avoid trading rates or rules.
Ships? Removed as it should, if you want to be helped by friends and ally do ACS.
Something different? I've not thinked about it a lot, it just came in mind right now, possibilities to sell ships only to a certain class, for example collector one that should focus on mines, and not ships.
You see, i've found way to disincentive pushing and breaking rules without touching punishment...just touching the code.
Inactive ones? Don't allow the possibilities to do "certain" missions to inactives.
You become inactive? Resources set to 0, now you can farm its production.
You see, i'm disincentiving pushing without touching the "warn/ban" system.
Why? Because i don't need to touch that system to disincentive the pushing, i can avoid it. I would like to see what will find player with these things around to push without breaking rules in a way that cannot be recognized.
But i'm not the one that own this game. "They" are, and something is lacking, something is going bad.
Of course i'm not aware about all the way to push or get pushed, cause when i play i focus on something else. But you may be sure that even touching the punishment system you can achieve something.
To answer directly your question; What would I hand out for certain infractions? I cannot answer you, cause i'm not allowed to know how the system works, so i cannot say how can be improved.
This is one reason that let you understand that with that politic it cannot be improved by users, just teamlers. But teamlers cannot say anything about it, otherwise they risk to be "fired" for being a "threat" to their authority. GF decide and they have to respect it.
GF has problem with that system? Otherwise they will not try to find a way to improve it. If they have not a problem, then we are in a loop. Enjoy the loop...but don't ask yourself why thing continue to go worse.
As i said somewhere else "i can help only if you want to be helped". But you have to put me in a position to allow me to do it. If you don't do it, then you get the complain from your customers.
If GF likes the complain they can keep doing as they're doing.
...Usually someone is paid for all this. But, as the teamlers, they get all this free. Still they don't care. Sadly, somebody like me continue to say these things to them, when they don't care. Why we do it? For the community, not for them.
Is it really helpful anyway? I think we are talking about all this just for argumenting, nothing more.
Nothing will change and they will, one day, go bankrupt...cause they will lose their customers trust, seeing they don't care about them.
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I'm not focusing on something specific, just sharing thoughts cause for sure something is not going well.
And i think "that" something is GF that don't listen, or not as it should, their customers...and only for money.
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