We as a community need to stop complaining about whales/metal packs/p2w as that is clearly futile. Instead, we need to start putting our heads together to think of what can be done to make the game more fair and balanced regardless of their existence.
Sooner we can do this, the more hope we have of fixing the currently broken state of the game.
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Here are a few suggestions of my own.
1. Put a limit on how many of one person's moons can be destroyed in a 24h period - 1 or 2 feels reasonable. If you correctly predict the destination moon you get the fleet but allows for counterplay.
2. Addition of nanite factories on moons - let players build more defence faster on moons so a whale has to gamble a few thousand rips. Might impact game balance and make moons indestructible (I would argue whales already have access to this - look at the guy in Vela with 1mil plasmas on his moon).
no and no
1 . limit how many moons i can have poped? fine ill just get my insys budy to pop mine everyday re-moon and pop again, md proof, ultimately ill abandon my own moon and then pop it myself, much faster than using a friend
you need to address those hostile game breaking behaviors on individual bases not punish the entire class coz 1 kid doesn't lsn camon what are we in kindergarten
2, nanites on the moon will only affect whales ability to dm ninja you cheaper, if someone already have accees to vast amounts of cash, they dont need those nanites and nanites on the moon wont help you either
defending or attacking, if i want your moon gone is gone no matter how many nanites u have again moot point
the shitty player behavior needs to be addressed not the game mechanics in this case but end of the day have we forgotten this is a war game?
Appreciate the feedback. In response to your feedback:
1. You are right that it allows abuse of the mechanic. Would it make it better if the limit was flipped around to make it so that any player can destroy X number of moons in a day? So to pop 10 moons you'd need to co-ordinate 5 people let's say.
2. You're right, it would not make it impossible but that's the point. In any given situation in the game, attacking should not be impossible but defending should be cheaper, easier and less risky than attacking and this is true for most examples eg. Sending an attack vs deploying to dodge it or FS, X amount spent in defences will beat the same amount spent in fleet or at least make it unprofitable. Resource wise this also holds true for MD attacks - 7 plasmas are cheaper than 1 rip. Where it currently doesn't hold true is the time it takes to build that many plasmas on a moon is currently way more than it takes to build rips on a planet and maybe nanites on a moon will balance it a bit.
If it is a behaviour issue, perhaps you are instead suggesting:
3. Update the bashing rule. Any suggestions on what such a rule would look like would be very helpful to the conversation.
Majority of posts I see identify that this is a huge problem in the game, but I feel they highlight the wrong reason:
"ANOTHER PLAYER PAYS TO GET 50x MY POINTS OVERNIGHT!!!"
So what? If you leave fleet sitting or save incorrectly you will lose it. Whether it is by a fleet 1.5x or 100x your size doesn't matter.
The real reason that I see it as a problem is that such a player can negatively impact the game for regular players. MD bashing is not only possible, but extremely easy for these players. It takes a normal player weeks to build up the buildings on a moon. It takes a whale less than a daily production and two mouse clicks to build 300 rips.
There is no doubt that there has to be a change to balance the game but the nature of this has to be carefully considered. The correct change should continue to allow anyone to buy their way to rank 1 but limit their ability to mindlessly bash smaller players. Here are a couple of things that have been suggested and my opinion on them.
1. Limit on metal packs - I don't think this is the right answer because it cuts GF's profits and there is also no chance of it happening.
2. Update the noob protection system - either it will severely reduce the number of targets for top players, or provide no help at all. I don't see any system where these two scenarios are both avoided.
Here are a few suggestions of my own.
1. Put a limit on how many of one person's moons can be destroyed in a 24h period - 1 or 2 feels reasonable. If you correctly predict the destination moon you get the fleet but allows for counterplay.
2. Addition of nanite factories on moons - let players build more defence faster on moons so a whale has to gamble a few thousand rips. Might impact game balance and make moons indestructible (I would argue whales already have access to this - look at the guy in Vela with 1mil plasmas on his moon).
In an ideal world it would be perfectly fair. Existence of whales shouldn't change how the game is played. Proper fleetsaving principles still apply.
Unfortunately it is very possible for a whale to build thousands of rips and either blow your moons and lock down your deployment (using screen recorders to catch your recall), bash your defences and crash your fleet.
It is fine that whales exist but removing mechanisms by which they can cause unavoidable losses to smaller players should definitely be a consideration.
Andy popped a moon and there it was. Thanks for letting me join in on the action.
GL RB/RL defender.
On 20-01-2024 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attackers: __________ Donutz [LGNS] Andy [LoL] |
Defenders: __________ Engineer Vesta [Elite] |
Fight !
__________ Donutz [LGNS] Weapon: --% | Shield: --% | Armor: --% Light Fighter 1.529.994 Heavy Fighter 109.086 Cruiser 238.585 Battleship 35.281 Spy Probe 743.000 Bomber 11.878 Destroyer 88.862 Deathstar 2.450 Battlecruiser 139.932 Reaper 101.444 Andy [LoL] Weapon: --% | Shield: --% | Armor: --% Light Fighter 308.897 Heavy Fighter 79.686 Cruiser 164.480 Battleship 92.019 Spy Probe 895.766 Bomber 17.370 Destroyer 13.567 Deathstar 944 Battlecruiser 224.918 Reaper 9.474 Pathfinder 55.847 __________ |
__________ Engineer Vesta [Elite] Weapon: --% | Shield: --% | Armor: --% Light Cargo 231.205 Heavy Cargo 42.639 Light Fighter 433.000 Heavy Fighter 148.000 Cruiser 121.000 Battleship 40.000 Colony Ship 1 Recycler 335 Spy Probe 10.002 Bomber 17.000 Destroyer 29.500 Deathstar 267 Battlecruiser 119.500 Reaper 8.002 Pathfinder 61.002 Rocket Launcher 140.445 Light Laser 53.211 Heavy Laser 18.160 Gauss Cannon 15.763 Ion Cannon 12.923 Plasma Turret 1.884 __________ |
After the Battle ...
__________ Donutz [LGNS] Weapon: --% | Shield: --% | Armor: --% Light Fighter 1.081.212 (-448.782) Heavy Fighter 88.888 (-20.198) Cruiser 226.026 (-12.559) Battleship 34.657 (-624) Spy Probe 433.967 (-309.033) Bomber 11.727 (-151) Destroyer 87.902 (-960) Deathstar 2.450 (-0) Battlecruiser 138.188 (-1.744) Reaper 100.297 (-1.147) Andy [LoL] Weapon: --% | Shield: --% | Armor: --% Light Fighter 216.673 (-92.224) Heavy Fighter 64.485 (-15.201) Cruiser 153.841 (-10.639) Battleship 89.777 (-2.242) Spy Probe 518.952 (-376.814) Bomber 17.142 (-228) Destroyer 13.399 (-168) Deathstar 944 (-0) Battlecruiser 221.504 (-3.414) Reaper 9.368 (-106) Pathfinder 51.858 (-3.989) __________ |
__________ Engineer Vesta [Elite] Weapon: --% | Shield: --% | Armor: --%
__________ |
Outcome of the Battle:
The attacker has won the battle ! The attacker(s) captured: 442.337.785 Metal, 459.853.580 Crystal and 102.320.701 Deuterium The attacker(s) lost a total of 4.986.242.000 units. The defender(s) lost a total of 33.254.069.000 units. A total of 1.007.197.021 metal, 771.414.497 crystal and 208.034.975 deuterium has been recycled after battle. At these space coordinates now float 6.450.770.579 metal, 4.940.659.903 crystal and 1.332.396.625 deuterium. The attacker captured a total of 1.004.512.066 units. The attacker(s) captured the debris |
Summary of Profit/Losses:
Summary Attacker(s): |
Summary Defender(s): |
Metal: 5.092.176.385 Crystal: 4.197.157.980 Deuterium: 1.339.409.301 The attacker(s) made a profit of 10.628.743.666 units. |
Metal: -17.184.100.285 Crystal: -13.236.378.080 Deuterium: -3.938.102.701 The defender(s) incurred a loss of -34.358.581.066 units. |
Nice hit guys!
And nice debris steal Andy, wp!
If you're Discoverer and do 100+ Expeditions per day, pick Humans.
If you're Discoverer and do less than 100 Expos per day, pick Rocktal.
Could you explain how number of expeditions I run affects my choice between humans and Rocktal? The human buildings don't impact expedition finds right?
Defender had a huge defence. Got some guys together to hit him.
Took all five of us ~4 hours to spam ~65k IPMs to get rid of his RL and LL. Overkilled it a bit leading to a bit more deut used than we wanted but still ended up in the positive.
Thanks guys for the hit! Was a great team effort.
FR defender.
On 29-09-2023 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Deathstar 71
Light Fighter 715.333
Heavy Fighter 63.598
Cruiser 190.643
Battleship 16.321
Battlecruiser 126.899
Bomber 5.817
Destroyer 86.465
Reaper 100.789
Espionage Probe 370.000
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Attacker Andy [LoL]
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Deathstar 130
Light Fighter 205.508
Heavy Fighter 30.112
Cruiser 102.489
Battleship 50.657
Battlecruiser 53.152
Bomber 3.766
Destroyer 2.825
Reaper 1.952
Pathfinder 10.603
Espionage Probe 65.000
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Attacker Demi [SWARM]
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Deathstar 46
Light Fighter 367.351
Heavy Fighter 29.807
Cruiser 35.717
Battleship 10.591
Battlecruiser 51.682
Bomber 4.040
Destroyer 7.144
Reaper 1.998
Espionage Probe 45.258
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Attacker fly4president [TON]
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Deathstar 208
Light Fighter 272.544
Heavy Fighter 42.413
Bomber 23.789
Destroyer 5.613
Reaper 5.402
Cruiser 155.290
Battleship 76.683
Battlecruiser 109.443
Pathfinder 18.552
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Attacker IPredator [SWARM]
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Deathstar 60
Light Fighter 673.714
Heavy Fighter 58.648
Cruiser 91.737
Battleship 26.035
Battlecruiser 102.035
Bomber 6.003
Destroyer 15.558
Reaper 2.447
Pathfinder 12.650
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Defender Engineer Tauri
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Small Cargo 128.735
Large Cargo 30.500
Light Fighter 862.505
Heavy Fighter 34.739
Cruiser 70.548
Battleship 7.927
Recycler 4.097
Espionage Probe 222.907
Bomber 11.639
Solar Satellite 800
Destroyer 9.746
Deathstar 409
Battlecruiser 61.131
Reaper 5.086
Pathfinder 32.124
Heavy Laser 54.251
Gauss Cannon 31.301
Ion Cannon 30.889
Plasma Turret 13.226
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After the battle ...
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Deathstar 71 ( -0 )
Light Fighter 595.579 ( -119.754 )
Heavy Fighter 56.974 ( -6.624 )
Cruiser 183.173 ( -7.470 )
Battleship 16.016 ( -305 )
Battlecruiser 124.412 ( -2.487 )
Bomber 5.698 ( -119 )
Destroyer 85.148 ( -1.317 )
Reaper 99.211 ( -1.578 )
Espionage Probe 260.675 ( -109.325 )
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Attacker Andy [LoL]
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Deathstar 130 ( -0 )
Light Fighter 171.048 ( -34.460 )
Heavy Fighter 26.970 ( -3.142 )
Cruiser 98.236 ( -4.253 )
Battleship 49.565 ( -1.092 )
Battlecruiser 52.144 ( -1.008 )
Bomber 3.699 ( -67 )
Destroyer 2.774 ( -51 )
Reaper 1.911 ( -41 )
Pathfinder 10.116 ( -487 )
Espionage Probe 45.753 ( -19.247 )
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Attacker Demi [SWARM]
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Deathstar 46 ( -0 )
Light Fighter 306.782 ( -60.569 )
Heavy Fighter 26.782 ( -3.025 )
Cruiser 34.169 ( -1.548 )
Battleship 10.368 ( -223 )
Battlecruiser 50.681 ( -1.001 )
Bomber 3.978 ( -62 )
Destroyer 7.042 ( -102 )
Reaper 1.963 ( -35 )
Espionage Probe 31.934 ( -13.324 )
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Attacker fly4president [TON]
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Deathstar 208 ( -0 )
Light Fighter 226.182 ( -46.362 )
Heavy Fighter 37.903 ( -4.510 )
Bomber 23.321 ( -468 )
Destroyer 5.521 ( -92 )
Reaper 5.332 ( -70 )
Cruiser 148.481 ( -6.809 )
Battleship 74.866 ( -1.817 )
Battlecruiser 107.139 ( -2.304 )
Pathfinder 17.714 ( -838 )
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Attacker IPredator [SWARM]
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Deathstar 60 ( -0 )
Light Fighter 564.155 ( -109.559 )
Heavy Fighter 52.866 ( -5.782 )
Cruiser 88.087 ( -3.650 )
Battleship 25.517 ( -518 )
Battlecruiser 100.073 ( -1.962 )
Bomber 5.901 ( -102 )
Destroyer 15.352 ( -206 )
Reaper 2.414 ( -33 )
Pathfinder 12.128 ( -522 )
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Defender Engineer Tauri
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
545.844.428 Metal, 1.209.232 Crystal and 74.235.902 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 4.158.779.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 24.418.651.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 5.302.860.800 metal and 3.735.561.200 crystal and 969.095.200 deuterium.
The attacker captured a total of 621.289.562 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
The attacker(s) captured the debris.
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The attacker used a total of ~65k Interplanetary Missiles.
These were destroyed on impact causing the attacker to lose ~1.625bn units.
The defender lost 6.882.618.000 defence units after these attack(s).
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 2.560.609.228
Crystal: 2.153.844.432
Deuterium: 16.225.102
The attacker(s) made a profit of 4.730.678.762 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -13.098.341.428
Crystal: -9.259.799.232
Deuterium: -2.688.759.902
The defender(s) lost a total of 25.046.900.562 units.
Defender regularly fleetsaved by deploying between his planets, one of which had a ton of defence. Caught him deploying to the turtle planet at 10%, so plan was to launch a phalanx attack convincing enough to make him recall, then spam phalanx to catch the recall time so we can hit him at his relatively undefended planet. Needed help from IPredator to have a combined fleet large enough to justify a recall - mine alone would've copped a 3bn loss had he not recalled.
As planned, defender recalled and his return was calculated for around 17 hours later.
Deut in DF was 511m - we got 498m of it which paid for the crash, the initial launch, and the couple thousand missiles we used to make it even more convincing for him to recall. Defender managed to get some of the debris but not much.
Dedi to LGNS and the rest of my friends on this server. FR defender.
On 12-09-2023 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Deathstar 69
Light Fighter 786.876
Heavy Fighter 42.693
Cruiser 203.397
Battleship 12.452
Battlecruiser 126.858
Bomber 2.631
Destroyer 84.952
Reaper 100.117
Pathfinder 13.650
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Attacker IPredator [SWARM]
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Light Fighter 517.114
Heavy Fighter 37.870
Cruiser 53.458
Battleship 10.633
Battlecruiser 78.401
Bomber 3.694
Destroyer 10.327
Deathstar 49
Reaper 1.855
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Defender Commander Shepard [SIMP]
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Small Cargo 6.000
Light Fighter 328.781
Heavy Fighter 63.926
Cruiser 53.589
Battleship 103.955
Destroyer 8.727
Deathstar 130
Battlecruiser 42.696
Reaper 4.751
Pathfinder 7.500
Rocket Launcher 12.262
Light Laser 13.130
Gauss Cannon 447
Ion Cannon 3.359
Plasma Turret 99
Small Shield Dome 1
Large Shield Dome 1
_________________________________________
After the battle ...
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Deathstar 69 ( -0 )
Light Fighter 587.074 ( -199.802 )
Heavy Fighter 34.864 ( -7.829 )
Cruiser 191.118 ( -12.279 )
Battleship 12.228 ( -224 )
Battlecruiser 125.163 ( -1.695 )
Bomber 2.594 ( -37 )
Destroyer 84.150 ( -802 )
Reaper 99.101 ( -1.016 )
Pathfinder 12.610 ( -1.040 )
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Attacker IPredator [SWARM]
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Light Fighter 386.381 ( -130.733 )
Heavy Fighter 30.976 ( -6.894 )
Cruiser 49.763 ( -3.695 )
Battleship 10.428 ( -205 )
Battlecruiser 77.412 ( -989 )
Bomber 3.646 ( -48 )
Destroyer 10.229 ( -98 )
Deathstar 49 ( -0 )
Reaper 1.835 ( -20 )
_________________________________________
Defender Commander Shepard [SIMP]
________________________________________________
Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
576.262 Metal, 0 Crystal and 85.525 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 2.504.646.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 16.889.645.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 3.643.631.832 metal and 1.962.450.838 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 661.787 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
2.346.934.013 Metal and 665.753.017 Crystal
527.877.387 Metal and 527.877.388 Crystal
756.948.432 Metal and 756.948.433 Crystal
1.022.325.676 Metal and 550.622.009 Crystal
Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):
4.654.085.508 Metal and 2.501.200.847 Crystal and 498.250.047 Deuterium
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 3.000.783.770
Crystal: 1.766.455.847
Deuterium: +138.912.572
The attacker(s) made a profit of 4.906.152.189 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -10.125.529.262
Crystal: -5.597.285.000
Deuterium: -1.167.492.525
The defender(s) lost a total of 16.890.306.787 units.
Saved up res for 2weeks, and $200 of metal packs made up the rest. Actually been holding these metal packs for a while now waiting for the right time to use them. Luckily def decided to idle his fleet, probably because nobody had anywhere near enough to fly on him.
Needed a bit of help with fleet and recs but the power of friendship prevailed again.
Deut into df was ~3.7bn. We both went general for the attack so we got our wreckage back as well. After all this, the total profit was:
9.0bn metal, 8.9bn crystal, 2.8bn deuterium
Dedi to all my friends in this game. FR def.
On 27-08-2023 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Vice Draco [L2PO]
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Light Fighter 700.047
Heavy Fighter 50.980
Cruiser 80.000
Battleship 13.653
Battlecruiser 43.000
Bomber 6.954
Destroyer 10.000
Reaper 5.308
Pathfinder 15.644
Espionage Probe 100.000
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Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 1.435.260
Heavy Fighter 53.864
Cruiser 155.381
Battleship 12.223
Battlecruiser 148.718
Destroyer 93.029
Reaper 110.005
Pathfinder 12.753
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Defender PEACEFULMINER [TON]
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Small Cargo 160.504
Large Cargo 89.938
Light Fighter 921.264
Heavy Fighter 38.576
Cruiser 172.759
Battleship 80.296
Recycler 214.017
Espionage Probe 22.725
Bomber 4.654
Destroyer 15.550
Deathstar 841
Battlecruiser 402.361
Reaper 3.152
Pathfinder 7.033
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After the battle ...
Attacker Vice Draco [L2PO]
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Light Fighter 64.864 ( -635.183 )
Heavy Fighter 8.267 ( -42.713 )
Cruiser 36.203 ( -43.797 )
Battleship 10.918 ( -2.735 )
Battlecruiser 37.475 ( -5.525 )
Bomber 6.168 ( -786 )
Destroyer 9.090 ( -910 )
Reaper 4.849 ( -459 )
Pathfinder 6.705 ( -8.939 )
Espionage Probe 5.231 ( -94.769 )
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Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 134.336 ( -1.300.924 )
Heavy Fighter 8.825 ( -45.039 )
Cruiser 74.920 ( -80.461 )
Battleship 9.868 ( -2.355 )
Battlecruiser 130.519 ( -18.199 )
Destroyer 84.566 ( -8.463 )
Reaper 100.426 ( -9.579 )
Pathfinder 5.656 ( -7.097 )
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Defender PEACEFULMINER [TON]
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Small Cargo 13 ( -160.491 )
Large Cargo 48 ( -89.890 )
Light Fighter 40 ( -921.224 )
Heavy Fighter 12 ( -38.564 )
Cruiser 612 ( -172.147 )
Battleship 3.031 ( -77.265 )
Recycler 187 ( -213.830 )
Espionage Probe 0 ( -22.725 )
Bomber 469 ( -4.185 )
Destroyer 2.953 ( -12.597 )
Deathstar 841 ( -0 )
Battlecruiser 29.189 ( -373.172 )
Reaper 1.040 ( -2.112 )
Pathfinder 24 ( -7.009 )
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The battle ends in a draw.
Had to resend fleet to clean up what remained.
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
________________________________________________
Cruiser 74.920
Battleship 9.868
Battlecruiser 130.519
Destroyer 84.566
Reaper 100.426
_________________________________________
Attacker Vice Draco [L2PO]
________________________________________________
Cruiser 36.203
Battleship 10.918
Battlecruiser 37.475
Destroyer 9.090
Reaper 4.849
_________________________________________
Defender PEACEFULMINER [TON]
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Small Cargo 13
Large Cargo 48
Light Fighter 40
Heavy Fighter 12
Cruiser 612
Battleship 3.031
Recycler 187
Bomber 469
Destroyer 2.953
Deathstar 841
Battlecruiser 29.189
Reaper 1.040
Pathfinder 24
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After the battle ...
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
________________________________________________
Cruiser 71.309 ( -3.611 )
Battleship 9.432 ( -436 )
Battlecruiser 125.478 ( -5.041 )
Destroyer 81.418 ( -3.148 )
Reaper 96.541 ( -3.885 )
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Attacker Vice Draco [L2PO]
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Cruiser 34.405 ( -1.798 )
Battleship 10.467 ( -451 )
Battlecruiser 36.034 ( -1.441 )
Destroyer 8.751 ( -339 )
Reaper 4.656 ( -193 )
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Defender PEACEFULMINER [TON]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
0 Metal, 0 Crystal and 0 Deuterium
192.584.688 Metal, 87.816.646 Crystal and 114.929.121 Deuterium
48.146.172 Metal, 21.954.162 Crystal and 28.732.280 Deuterium
12.036.543 Metal, 5.488.540 Crystal and 7.183.070 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 17.987.700.000 units.
Total damage attacker including follow-ups: 19.837.106.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 53.517.102.000 units.
Total damage defender including follow-ups: 65.190.528.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 13.738.966.032 metal and 10.137.833.755 crystal.
Extra debris caused by the follow-up(s): 1.925.792.401 metal and 1.652.656.801 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 518.871.222 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
4.455.119.944 Metal and 4.455.119.945 Crystal
875.131.401 Metal and 645.749.952 Crystal
6.368.857.499 Metal and 3.426.967.642 Crystal
614.057.936 Metal and 526.965.951 Crystal
1.561.749.364 Metal and 1.561.749.364 Crystal
2.342.624.047 Metal and 2.342.624.047 Crystal
932.355.522 Metal and 0 Crystal
Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):
17.149.895.713 Metal and 12.959.176.901 Crystal
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 5.160.297.116
Crystal: 6.807.418.249
Deuterium: -1.426.877.529
The attacker(s) made a profit of 10.540.837.836 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -31.083.035.403
Crystal: -26.403.188.348
Deuterium: -8.223.175.471
The defender(s) lost a total of 65.709.399.222 units.
Def was doing FS to DF so I timed it back. 92mil deut into DF, which I added manually.
I did send a follow-up wave of 1.8k PF 2s afterwards but that was destroyed in the first round. Unsure if it was a ninja from def's allies or a bug where they smashed against his initial fleet before calculation completed. I harvested the df from initial and followup, but true profit was only around 783mil when accounting for the destroyed follow-up.
Dedicated to my alliance Legends.
FR def.
On 17-07-2023 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Destroyer 10.384
Light Fighter 226.291
Heavy Fighter 24.128
Bomber 5.693
Reaper 3.332
Cruiser 62.615
Battleship 6.599
Battlecruiser 32.154
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Defender ARTANE
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Small Cargo 11.807
Large Cargo 3.558
Light Fighter 22.755
Heavy Fighter 6.505
Cruiser 1.670
Battleship 932
Recycler 3.870
Espionage Probe 8.209
Bomber 585
Destroyer 10.787
Deathstar 1
Battlecruiser 1.811
Reaper 223
Pathfinder 1.464
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After the battle ...
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Destroyer 10.378 ( -6 )
Light Fighter 205.329 ( -20.962 )
Heavy Fighter 22.319 ( -1.809 )
Bomber 5.687 ( -6 )
Reaper 3.329 ( -3 )
Cruiser 60.334 ( -2.281 )
Battleship 6.589 ( -10 )
Battlecruiser 32.107 ( -47 )
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Defender ARTANE
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Destroyed!
_________________________________________
The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
67.611.634 Metal, 7.263 Crystal and 45.126.257 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 174.452.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 2.074.237.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 435.458.732 metal and 325.127.971 crystal and 92.601.000 deuterium.
The attacker captured a total of 112.745.154 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
26.500.868 Metal and 19.786.429 Crystal
441.269.609 Metal and 335.196.390 Crystal
Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):
467.770.477 Metal and 354.982.819 Crystal
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 413.247.111
Crystal: 308.180.082
Deuterium: 28.719.257 + 92.601.000 = 121.320.257
The attacker(s) made a profit of 750.146.450 + 92.601.000 = 842.747.450 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -1.100.375.634
Crystal: -815.483.263
Deuterium: -271.123.257
The defender(s) lost a total of 2.186.982.154 units.
Nice find! i think thats the largest rip kill of the uni so far.. grats on the new top acs!
fr def
Thanks!
Maybe not quite the largest rip kill if you count us ninjaing Luna's rips when he was moonpopping our lower ranked and wing members. He was sending 75 each time.
Been watching def for quite a while and he had grown to a point where my fleet wasn't quite large enough to take him myself for profit. Luckily Ikaros was online and ready. We flew using the power of friendship and the rest is below for you to see.
Deut into DF was around 145mil, which I added manually.
Dedicated to LGNS. FR defender.
On 04-07-2023 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Ikaros [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 60.404
Heavy Fighter 32.099
Cruiser 12.888
Battleship 5.583
Battlecruiser 3.961
Bomber 3.644
Destroyer 3.645
Reaper 2.328
Pathfinder 18.364
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Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 141.592
Heavy Fighter 17.353
Cruiser 28.807
Battleship 5.377
Battlecruiser 15.349
Bomber 4.721
Destroyer 10.501
Reaper 2.661
Pathfinder 13.575
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Defender Commander Shepard
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Small Cargo 9.707
Large Cargo 4.680
Light Fighter 200.031
Heavy Fighter 30.000
Cruiser 15.001
Battleship 6.302
Recycler 1.309
Espionage Probe 5.723
Bomber 2.023
Solar Satellite 6
Destroyer 3.077
Deathstar 60
Battlecruiser 3.360
Reaper 955
Pathfinder 5.386
Rocket Launcher 50.936
Light Laser 2.965
Heavy Laser 40
Gauss Cannon 225
Ion Cannon 6.012
Plasma Turret 119
Small Shield Dome 1
Large Shield Dome 1
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After the battle ...
Attacker Ikaros [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 30.074 ( -30.330 )
Heavy Fighter 22.209 ( -9.890 )
Cruiser 11.012 ( -1.876 )
Battleship 5.223 ( -360 )
Battlecruiser 3.771 ( -190 )
Bomber 3.500 ( -144 )
Destroyer 3.493 ( -152 )
Reaper 2.231 ( -97 )
Pathfinder 15.617 ( -2.747 )
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Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 71.962 ( -69.630 )
Heavy Fighter 12.144 ( -5.209 )
Cruiser 24.902 ( -3.905 )
Battleship 5.076 ( -301 )
Battlecruiser 14.600 ( -749 )
Bomber 4.488 ( -233 )
Destroyer 10.061 ( -440 )
Reaper 2.539 ( -122 )
Pathfinder 11.577 ( -1.998 )
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Defender Commander Shepard
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
1.178.288 Metal, 365.210 Crystal and 1.671.034 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 1.128.019.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 3.989.755.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 1.119.140.008 metal and 639.675.702 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 3.214.532 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 22%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
98.897.909 Metal and 0 Crystal
21.695.418 Metal and 12.400.621 Crystal
243.028.071 Metal and 0 Crystal
189.511.567 Metal and 51.977.241 Crystal
587.702.461 Metal and 587.702.461 Crystal
23.194.174 Metal and 13.257.277 Crystal
Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):
1.164.029.600 Metal and 665.337.600 Crystal and 145.693.000 Deuterium
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 490.253.888
Crystal: 295.159.810
Deuterium: -106.117.751 + 145.693.000 = 39.575.249
The attacker(s) made a profit of 679.295.947 + 145.693.000 = 824.988.947 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -2.383.427.788
Crystal: -1.322.139.710
Deuterium: -287.402.034
The defender(s) lost a total of 3.992.969.532 units.
Hi Guys!
I just got my first 1bn hit so thought I'd share. 91m deut into df, added manually.
Dedi to LGNS
On 30-06-2023 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 126.371
Heavy Fighter 15.140
Cruiser 26.190
Battleship 5.045
Battlecruiser 14.144
Destroyer 10.162
Reaper 1.352
Pathfinder 8.895
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Defender Demi [SWARM]
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Light Fighter 37.052
Heavy Fighter 11.356
Cruiser 3.910
Battleship 2.158
Colony Ship 1
Recycler 51
Espionage Probe 8.500
Bomber 1.819
Destroyer 1.013
Deathstar 1
Battlecruiser 6.706
Reaper 1.127
Pathfinder 5.381
Rocket Launcher 3.756
Light Laser 32
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After the battle ...
Attacker Donutz [LGNS]
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Light Fighter 86.885 ( -39.486 )
Heavy Fighter 12.254 ( -2.886 )
Cruiser 24.476 ( -1.714 )
Battleship 4.986 ( -59 )
Battlecruiser 14.007 ( -137 )
Destroyer 10.151 ( -11 )
Reaper 1.349 ( -3 )
Pathfinder 8.285 ( -610 )
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Defender Demi [SWARM]
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Destroyed!
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The attacker has won the battle!
The attacker captured:
0 Metal, 1.125 Crystal and 1.956.251 Deuterium
The attacker lost a total of 272.460.000 units.
The defender lost a total of 1.739.148.000 units.
At these space coordinates now float 403.002.036 metal and 288.810.809 crystal.
The attacker captured a total of 1.957.376 units.
The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.
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Debris harvested by the attacker(s):
149.320.084 Metal and 149.320.084 Crystal
10.793.564 Metal and 7.735.191 Crystal
253.681.952 Metal and 139.498.225 Crystal
Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):
413.795.600 Metal and 296.553.500 Crystal
Summary of profit/losses:
Summary attackers(s)
Metal: 231.181.600
Crystal: 217.296.625
Deuterium: -8.631.749+91.271.200=82.639.451
The attacker(s) made a profit of 439.846.476+91.271.200=531.117.676 units.
Summary defender(s)
Metal: -859.435.000
Crystal: -662.124.125
Deuterium: -219.546.251
The defender(s) lost a total of 1.741.105.376 units.
I have nothing against the attacker and would even say we are on pretty good terms. However I felt it was unfair that members of our alliance and wing keep being targeted for no profit when they have done nothing to deserve it.
Destroyed ! 
