Posts by Muad'Dib

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To solve this problem is simple: allow Nanite Factory on moons. That way people would actually build real defenses, and moon destruction would become much more expensive.

This would solve your problem... you should rethink the topic and propose something along those lines.

Best Regards and good luck ^^

That would be elegant solution

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I can agree on that this thread is tiring.

Again, reduce destruction speed won't do much let alone making it more expensive. The only positive thing it might do is to able players to sleep and do deploy FS (without recall).

Why I think this is a bad idea is that it removes the surprise and tactical thinking. Hence, removing some aspects that make the game fun.

To bring up money into the discussion is slow. It's not about that to begin with. It's like saying "My 100 M bcs only cost me 50 bucks (or whatever)". Okay cool, I don't care. The whole DM thing is another discussion.

I was hoping for a more open discussion. The whole idea to keep the unis more active and helping players who doesn't spend (or spends a little DM) is a lie. I don't see players leave because they lose their moons. The top reasons are being bashed and losing fleets (which could be a consequence of losing a moon but not always).

So Muad'Dib are you going to chicken out like the character you are naming yourself after? Or will bring us the real reason you want to see this? If not, the discussion is over.

For those who are unsure or also want this: Why do you like this idea?

Smaller players will still lose their moons to whales or top accounts. You'll find sweep attacks flying towards (just before the MD) you in which you cannot stop.

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You can see yourself out, no point in discussing with doomie who has reading comprehension and logic of toddler.

This discussion is little bit tiring. I am gonna put this translated ss here

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So we are talking to change perspective of MD ,

It´s same as before talking about change use of Vm ..

What´s the problem with MD being cheap ? probes and rebuilding moon is cheaper then 250 ds..

I´ve been playing Thuban where Whales have more then 50tn fleet, and still cannot parry with me or allies, not because we have more fleet bcz most of Whales are just Whales..
They have 60% knowledge about the game itself and MDing in overall..
Players here have 20/21 planets - 300 ds per moon = 6000 ds per day ( if we take they go once per day )
We have Ares who was sending 3-4 MD per day ( forcing something to get his but recacyled )
We have Tizoc with 20m DS ( his cost of 1 ds is perhaps 0.1 € ) he can solo MD whole server there without costing him so much..

They tried multiple times to take more moons, for what..
Good Fleeter knows his tactics to hide his fleet in such envieroment..

There is also Q defence which makes is 80% untracable when someone did FS and catching % if someone is general ..

I´m not sure about other uni´s but I think that´s not needed at all..
It´s game mechanic and we have kaelesh to take moons to 9400 km making it 1078-1079 ds per moon = 20 planets = cca. 21k ds
Let´s say 2-3 times a day = 63k ds

Leave the mechanic as it is and just laugh on their try´s

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I see your tactic, in and out of vmode, great one. I applaud your skills. Wouldnt be better that you dont have to vmode at all. Just because you have incompetent opposition doesnt mean other have it same.

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My tactic is Vm since November when I opened my store

Before that I was destroying other unis including Thuban while you were still in diapers , but ok ...
We see what people talk about you ..

And I gave you perfect example why MD´s are not to cheap, if your undeveloped brain can´t understand normal facts i´m sorry for that , but it isn´t my problem..
Enjoy E-warrior

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November you say

Now that we have established that you are full of something.

Let me refute statement from above for tizoc, 100% md costs him like 10 cents. He doesnt have to md your entire acc just your deploy sys for eternity. Lets say he decides to md your khalesh moons 21k rips you say, event unlikely but for sake of this excercise lets entertain it . That costs him grandiose 7 with leters SEVEN euros/dolars. I would stop throwing insults and boasts in your stead , rather would implore you to think outside of your usual patterns

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So we are talking to change perspective of MD ,

It´s same as before talking about change use of Vm ..

What´s the problem with MD being cheap ? probes and rebuilding moon is cheaper then 250 ds..

I´ve been playing Thuban where Whales have more then 50tn fleet, and still cannot parry with me or allies, not because we have more fleet bcz most of Whales are just Whales..
They have 60% knowledge about the game itself and MDing in overall..
Players here have 20/21 planets - 300 ds per moon = 6000 ds per day ( if we take they go once per day )
We have Ares who was sending 3-4 MD per day ( forcing something to get his but recacyled )
We have Tizoc with 20m DS ( his cost of 1 ds is perhaps 0.1 € ) he can solo MD whole server there without costing him so much..

They tried multiple times to take more moons, for what..
Good Fleeter knows his tactics to hide his fleet in such envieroment..

There is also Q defence which makes is 80% untracable when someone did FS and catching % if someone is general ..

I´m not sure about other uni´s but I think that´s not needed at all..
It´s game mechanic and we have kaelesh to take moons to 9400 km making it 1078-1079 ds per moon = 20 planets = cca. 21k ds
Let´s say 2-3 times a day = 63k ds

Leave the mechanic as it is and just laugh on their try´s

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I see your tactic, in and out of vmode, great one. I applaud your skills. Wouldnt be better that you dont have to vmode at all. Just because you have incompetent opposition doesnt mean other have it same.

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Let me guess you play without fleet in x1 uni. You know 95 % of org isnt x1. And those same people would like to have fun, instead of mindlessly spamming expo

I did have fleet before. Then i scrapped most to get my astro levels. Now im not really playing as active as i used to so i didn't rebuild it entirely. Im just at 50mil points of fleet right now.

Actually i don't agree with this. For me personally i would also like if there were more targets to hit because i get tired of spying if i don't find anything in 30min however i think you are underestimating players who actually enjoy doing expos the most. Why do you think GF went into this direction to begin with? Becuase by looking at other games they realized they can just make a "singleplayer" mode farmville and let people pack for expo buffs then go on discord to show off their % which is what is happening. Whales showing off their buffs and expo finding to others and everyone going "woaaaah nice". So i have a feeling majority of ogame players are actually enjoying expos more then they would fleeting in a universe where a whale buys something and becuase of that he has the advantage. Whale fleeters directly impact a casual fleeter while whale expo guy doesn't really do anything to casual expo guy since both are basically playing "sp" game. As soon as i saw expo buff items i knew soon enough they will be on shop, and poof 2-3 months later there they are. And there will be more items coming im sure for expo buffs because people enjoy finding stuff and building their accounts like that.

Regardless, as i said, i agree and would vote for slowing down MD to 1x speed in all universes but that is all. So while im agreeing with this i don't know why you say "you know 95% org isnt x1" when i clearly stated i would make MD x1 for all universes"

edit: oh and btw back to what i said on the start...uni1 30% df, no deut into df, 100% deut consumption...so no, fleeting here is only for hardcore maniacs . Most people FS properly or have enough def you can't farm planets. And no one in their right mind beside those maniacs wanna spy over 1hour to potentionally find something. And the problem isn't MD...it is server settings and whales.

When competition is not fair it loses meaning and thus people who got normal IQ will say "well fu*k that lol, why would i grind and tryhard if others just buy it"...thus concluding MD is not the problem, it is whales again. You(whales) killed competitive play and now when no one is "playing" everyone is suprised how it happend

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Oh and btw as CluckerV2 said...most enjoy fleeting in new universes because whaling there early on is alot different then whaling for years in old universe thus people can still enjoy the new servers and fleet there to have fun for some period of time atleast. So by making MD's harder to pop, as he said, it would make new servers fleeting much worse.

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Yea I get that many like that single player aspect in otherwise multiplayer game. But there are still many who would like that you know not so single player game.
Perfect example of high competitive play with not much money thrown in is zero2-thuban. He has now sick acc, so there are ways but it is easier to play single player game.

You are putting blame on wrong address, blame should be put on GF for combat expos, which opened doors for extra otherwise no so reachable ress to put in metal mines, DM different pricing for different IPs and so on. GF has now solid income and cat is out of bag so what next.

You can have fun in new uni for what 6 months and then bye bye.
Tbh I am getting tired to see all the time victim mentality ingame and otherwise.

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in uni1 what would you call a smaller account? we talking military score or ranks in general?

rank 218 has 1b points... and theres not a huge point gap till you get to the top few in the uni. Between rank 101- 200 30 accounts in vmode, from 1.2b points up to 3.2b points.

So i would disagree most accounts here play from vmode. The only players atm who seem to play from vmode is the alliance muppets/street. They are far from weak in way of military points.

I am speaking about military and 72 % of top 40 military is in vmode

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The information you provided might seem "true" to someone who does not play here, but it is actually quite wrong . Just because someone takes 2-5 days break every month does not mean they play from VM . People have kids/job travels etc...ofcourse they would rather VM their huge accounts then play them thru all the responsibilities.

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Smaller accs in u1 play from vmode mostly those who have something to loose.

Again...you don't play the universe. I am a "smaller account". I've started almost from almost 0, 2 years ago. I have seen people VM maybe on weekends but most play the game all the time. Even top accounts you showed in previous image are actually quite active, it's just that mmorpg shows wrong dates of VM, same as it shows planets with 48h delay.

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Let me guess you play without fleet in x1 uni. You know 95 % of org isnt x1. And those same people would like to have fun, instead of mindlessly spamming expo

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in uni1 what would you call a smaller account? we talking military score or ranks in general?

rank 218 has 1b points... and theres not a huge point gap till you get to the top few in the uni. Between rank 101- 200 30 accounts in vmode, from 1.2b points up to 3.2b points.

So i would disagree most accounts here play from vmode. The only players atm who seem to play from vmode is the alliance muppets/street. They are far from weak in way of military points.

I am speaking about military and 72 % of top 40 military is in vmode

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lowering the speed of md mission comes to mind, soft capping md chance to destroy also comes to mind. Only question is what would be best option

Put basic speed to 85/90 (right now its 100) and cap MD missions to 1x speed in all universe. That would mean you get 4-5h MD in system (with whales hyper), probably around 5-6h if 1 system away. It makes no sense to make it fly longer because it would be pointless if it flies longer then people sleep. I can agree on that only.

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Again it is not mechanic that is wrong, it is whales. And as i said, go ahead and MD all planets from someone who is casually playing. They might be mad for an hour or two and then they will stop caring and stop playing which will be your fault for harrasing them with popping all their moons so in the end you will proactively work against server population of active players.

Also any sane person will always dislike fleeting in a whale universe actively. I am referring to VM warriors too. They don't play like that just because of moon pops, it just makes no sense to keep active when some whale can send overkill everytime they attack that 5 people together can't take together. That is exactly what whales do when attacking, pop insane number so they basically don't even need to look at the defender becuase there is no shot they are getting ninjad. Same goes for a whale trying to catch someone on return, buy fuel and fleet with packs, launch insane amount that can't be ninjad. If there is no other whale that can help, you are done. So why would anyone with a brain play like that knowing someone is catching them because they bought fleet? Why would anyone work hard to grow his fleet when whale is there waiting for a single "mistake"? It's just silly... Im not sure are you intentionally not understading what im saying or do you truly not understand what im saying

The game is dying because of whales and only one with benefit here is GF for having so many people donate insane amount of money. If there were no expeditions in this game i honestly think game would be long dead

edit: Also the balance of the universe is at play here. For example in uni1 you will rarely see moon pops because you got 3 alliances on the opposite sides and each can do damage to the other side because each alliance has a whale big enough to protect you or cause potentional problems in your plans or out of revenge go for other lower ranked players. So in my opinion uni1 is quite balanced, thats why no one is doing random MD's just to harras someone...easy ninjas here.

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Mechanic was always wrong even before the pack economy, why, dominant ally can wipe all competition just because balance is a bit skewed in their favor , you mention u1 how many "balanced" unis are out there? Vega is in similar case complicated. Smaller accs in u1 play from vmode mostly those who have something to loose. So you would immediately play against whale accs while ignoring rest of uni !? Even before the packs bigger fleet acc can return you out of empty moon you just raided. If his fleet is down on other moon. It all sounds great in theory but buying fleet takes time thanks to great servers, and no it cannot return you out of thin air not in time anyway.
Fleeting can reap great rewards. If you can play quasi uninterrupted I dont see any reason why there wouldnt be more fleets out of vmode vying for profits . Also as I mentioned before 5 man acs limit should be removed. If you can organize say 15 fleets cudos to you and you all should reap the rewards

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There is nothing that can be done. Iv said already a whale will just buy whatever it is in excess to have the next advantage.

Or somehow pay for the weaker to do it for them.

All there is is mass build defence. Im talking more than just 100k plasmas.

lowering the speed of md mission comes to mind, soft capping md chance to destroy also comes to mind. Only question is what would be best option

IPms are relic from days gone by. Only useful to annoy people

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Alright getting serious for a second.

If your generally suggesting that the mds are too cheap then maybe it could scale up compared to what points you have as the mding player?

Or maybe for instance if your mding a much smaller player a tax is involved or summit where if your 2x their points your chances of destruction are divided in 2.

Or you could make it far easier to make a much larger moon rather then going for a full lifeform build to be able to do it (possibly making the route to do that cheaper).

This all seems like a shot in the dark with the suggestions im coming up with but thats because I havent given it much thought because I didn't really see the problem with the cost to destruction ratio.

But if it is a problem for higher level accounts then maybe one of them above could solve the situation?

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Now we are getting somewhere in right direction, yes that could work , but, I can outsource that, even with pull limits. We need really good suggestions/thouths that are bulletproof. I had/have ress for khaelesh build, it is cheap, decided against it,because ultimately plays no role when larger fleets say above 1 bn points are in play which today is like what semi big fleet at best.

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All right gents, ladies and trolls, let us circle back to the premise.

"MD too cheap"

For starters it has gotten more expensive both indirectly and directly. I guess it is still peanut for some...

Max moon size is 9400 km, i.e. 1078 DS for 100%. For you nerds out there a moon with 10000km is indestructible, not that it exists tho. A moon with 9999km needs 399980000 DS for 100%

Before we delve deeper into the discussion, there is one weird thing.

Muad'Dib you said you haven't been popped in over a decade and all out of a sudden finding it too cheap? You know that you don't have to send 300 DS for a 100% MD, you can always make it more expensive for yourself if that suits you. Same thing if you are buying an ice cream that costs 3 euros, feel free to pay 30 for it if you find it too cheap. You will obviously not do that. I don't see any real reason to why you want it more expensive. As stated, not a moon pop in over a decade so you seem to have good defensive strategy but you want to make it harder for yourself to pop others? Why?

So the real question here is: Muad'Dib why do you want to make it more expensive?

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300 or 1000 is all the same to me.May I also state that I always play with fleet so not that I wasnt very good target. And why , simple reason, I wanna see more active unis. For other "intellectuals" in this thread who are attacking me , my dear brainacs my moons would be popped if price for md was for example 100k rips. Simple logic. As to why all of sudden, as stated full md costs peantus, and prevents anyone with lesser fleet to play semi normally. Every uni has what now year maaaaybe two till merge, in what they will merge in unis with whales. Result mass vmode.

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I love org toxic community. Germans are far above you. Love them.

Pot Kettle.

Making moon pops 'more expensive' Wont fix anything.

Vmoders Vmode not because of solely moon pops.

They vmode for multiple reasons.

There's a village somewhere missing its idiot.

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Village found it, you are its king. Just because you havent had anything worth vmoding for doesnt invalidate my point. If the mds are changed then we can figure best way to restricting vmode also. TIll then hard no to any vmode changes.
CluckerV2 my ego is just fine, you should worry about your intellectual reach.

Maybe to put moon pop ceiling to max 40%. This way there has to be multiple waves. Or just lowering speed on md mission? Eco difference between target/sender can be circumvented so no point there

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Good Afternoon,

Having some overall frustration in pinning down why this is occurring.

I have 16 planets, 1 human, 1 rocktal, 1 Kaelesh, 13 Mecha.

I have built them to the attached from a table I found floating around on here when I started.

I have enough population to unlock the Kaelesh Discoverer Enhancement across my empire, and enough levels that I'm getting an additional expedition slot. Most of the time.

I have 15, but occasionally drop to 14.

Astro 29 = 5 Slots

Disco Class = 2 Slots

Admiral = 1 Slot

Gold Expedition = 3 Slots

Silver expedition = 2 Slots

Bronze expedition = 1 Slot

Disco tech = 1 Slot

I don't have negative power anywhere (thought it might have been one of my secondary lf buildings going momentarily unpowered and population dropping).

I have not been raided (decrease in population from that).

I have been stable on all of my planets, my last planet coming up to completion three weeks ago. I only noticed it right now because the expedition slot is so discrete, but i assume I've been periodically losing my T18s ... somewhere, and I can't for the life of me figure out where.

My next solution is to try and make everywhere food positive, but that doesn't necessarily solve my issue. Hoping someone has some experience with this. Can share any other details anyone wants. Frustrating when I'm trying to get my expeditions out haha.

Thanks in advance!

Roggireck

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population has variations hence bonus varies, dont build just about to reach threshold, one or 2 more buildings will solve a problem

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What I mean is that it will still be cheap for monster accs like yours. It will be even more expensive for smaller accs like mine which means I cannot even accelerate with doing decent stuff anymore. Explain to me if I am wrong. I came with my own opinion, no need to be a little offended boy like always =) And no way you'd ever catch me. Only one who got the honor is Skeleton. I'm getting popped everywhere I go. Remember I am a Doomie, the target is always on my back.

Would love to get my 4bn acc to vega so I could actually fight you a little bit. Your greatest achievement is to make all of Vega blue because we didn't give you what you wanted. I'm vm until I'm not anymore - for now I can only handle two accs at a time and Mars & Lacerta is way better to play than your miserable uni.

But come with a real suggestion that will actually benefit all players? I have played for almost 20 years I only wants the best for the game

Really no way you say.

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Expo fleet? What a legend XD

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All that you had in moment or we shall ignore that, yes.

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I don't understand what you say. But if you're proud, that's alright. Let's celebrate with some beers?

As long as you're pay2win you will never be able to change my mindset about what's honorable and what's not. Buying a win has never been something to brag about.

See you on the battlefield buddy

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You can be shortsighted as you wish your right man. And sure we shall meet. no prob.

So now that we have measured our e penises, anything constructive to say except everything is good as it is while obviously isnt

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I love org toxic community. Germans are far above you. Love them.
Anyway I would be happy with restricted mds so small fleets can play, in current setting they are severely restricted. Only selfish agenda here is to end boredom. Anyway pop and lock requires to whales zero skill and little above zero effort. Majority know how it is done so lets not pretend.
To how much is cheap one player who I like very much got all his moons destroyed at least 3 or 4 times over. For peanuts. Myself I havent been popped and locked in over a decade, I am not sure if I lost one or 2 moons in all this time. Astrall how the f... benefits me more than you. To me is great atm I can md all day and night baby. You have to avoid accs like mine. And what would be result, maybe a catch you and most likely will, and you will play from vmode or perma vmode. Wow I attained short term gain for long term loss. Nobody builds fleet from ground up in already established uni, why, he will be raped very soon. Deploy recall also severely limits time to grow. So what is solution for you guys, stay in your little safe bubbles then cry when unfavorable merge happens and ofc inevitable perma vmode, rinse and repeat. While I appreciate expos as tool for shortening gap to top accs , transition to fleet acc is nonexistent , while we all are playing at least on paper war game. Unless you are in dominant ally you are severely restricted. While majority of you are thinking about vmode restrictions , many dont want to play with fleet acc on such a lvl to avoid being very easily destroyed hence vmode play. Underlying cause was and for 80% of vmoders is MD. In interest of GF and community itself is to restrict it, more people playing more money for GF more fun. Certainly isnt fun playing against maybe 100 active people per uni in some even less when easily that number could be tripled. Troll me all you want but I am writing some obvious shit here.

What I mean is that it will still be cheap for monster accs like yours. It will be even more expensive for smaller accs like mine which means I cannot even accelerate with doing decent stuff anymore. Explain to me if I am wrong. I came with my own opinion, no need to be a little offended boy like always =) And no way you'd ever catch me. Only one who got the honor is Skeleton. I'm getting popped everywhere I go. Remember I am a Doomie, the target is always on my back.

Would love to get my 4bn acc to vega so I could actually fight you a little bit. Your greatest achievement is to make all of Vega blue because we didn't give you what you wanted. I'm vm until I'm not anymore - for now I can only handle two accs at a time and Mars & Lacerta is way better to play than your miserable uni.

But come with a real suggestion that will actually benefit all players? I have played for almost 20 years I only wants the best for the game

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Really no way you say.

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Expo fleet? What a legend XD

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All that you had in moment or we shall ignore that, yes.

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I love org toxic community. Germans are far above you. Love them.
Anyway I would be happy with restricted mds so small fleets can play, in current setting they are severely restricted. Only selfish agenda here is to end boredom. Anyway pop and lock requires to whales zero skill and little above zero effort. Majority know how it is done so lets not pretend.
To how much is cheap one player who I like very much got all his moons destroyed at least 3 or 4 times over. For peanuts. Myself I havent been popped and locked in over a decade, I am not sure if I lost one or 2 moons in all this time. Astrall how the f... benefits me more than you. To me is great atm I can md all day and night baby. You have to avoid accs like mine. And what would be result, maybe a catch you and most likely will, and you will play from vmode or perma vmode. Wow I attained short term gain for long term loss. Nobody builds fleet from ground up in already established uni, why, he will be raped very soon. Deploy recall also severely limits time to grow. So what is solution for you guys, stay in your little safe bubbles then cry when unfavorable merge happens and ofc inevitable perma vmode, rinse and repeat. While I appreciate expos as tool for shortening gap to top accs , transition to fleet acc is nonexistent , while we all are playing at least on paper war game. Unless you are in dominant ally you are severely restricted. While majority of you are thinking about vmode restrictions , many dont want to play with fleet acc on such a lvl to avoid being very easily destroyed hence vmode play. Underlying cause was and for 80% of vmoders is MD. In interest of GF and community itself is to restrict it, more people playing more money for GF more fun. Certainly isnt fun playing against maybe 100 active people per uni in some even less when easily that number could be tripled. Troll me all you want but I am writing some obvious shit here.

What I mean is that it will still be cheap for monster accs like yours. It will be even more expensive for smaller accs like mine which means I cannot even accelerate with doing decent stuff anymore. Explain to me if I am wrong. I came with my own opinion, no need to be a little offended boy like always =) And no way you'd ever catch me. Only one who got the honor is Skeleton. I'm getting popped everywhere I go. Remember I am a Doomie, the target is always on my back.

Would love to get my 4bn acc to vega so I could actually fight you a little bit. Your greatest achievement is to make all of Vega blue because we didn't give you what you wanted. I'm vm until I'm not anymore - for now I can only handle two accs at a time and Mars & Lacerta is way better to play than your miserable uni.

But come with a real suggestion that will actually benefit all players? I have played for almost 20 years I only wants the best for the game

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Really no way you say. Just because I aint posting anything that isnt top 10 doesnt mean I dont do shit

I love org toxic community. Germans are far above you. Love them.
Anyway I would be happy with restricted mds so small fleets can play, in current setting they are severely restricted. Only selfish agenda here is to end boredom. Anyway pop and lock requires to whales zero skill and little above zero effort. Majority know how it is done so lets not pretend.
To how much is cheap one player who I like very much got all his moons destroyed at least 3 or 4 times over. For peanuts. Myself I havent been popped and locked in over a decade, I am not sure if I lost one or 2 moons in all this time. Astrall how the f... benefits me more than you. To me is great atm I can md all day and night baby. You have to avoid accs like mine. And what would be result, maybe a catch you and most likely will, and you will play from vmode or perma vmode. Wow I attained short term gain for long term loss. Nobody builds fleet from ground up in already established uni, why, he will be raped very soon. Deploy recall also severely limits time to grow. So what is solution for you guys, stay in your little safe bubbles then cry when unfavorable merge happens and ofc inevitable perma vmode, rinse and repeat. While I appreciate expos as tool for shortening gap to top accs , transition to fleet acc is nonexistent , while we all are playing at least on paper war game. Unless you are in dominant ally you are severely restricted. While majority of you are thinking about vmode restrictions , many dont want to play with fleet acc on such a lvl to avoid being very easily destroyed hence vmode play. Underlying cause was and for 80% of vmoders is MD. In interest of GF and community itself is to restrict it, more people playing more money for GF more fun. Certainly isnt fun playing against maybe 100 active people per uni in some even less when easily that number could be tripled. Troll me all you want but I am writing some obvious shit here.

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Sure..

Just because you dont get your way you throw your toys out the pram.

Someone counters your suggestion then boom "well im the best. Your all rubbish". Bla bla bla.

Its boring muad.

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You are getting personal and countering it out of selfish reasons, while me on other hand sees bigger picture. Doom is mediocre and only thrives when kills opponents early game. You will see how much mediocre you are on next merge with different start point. You are welcome to refute me ingame at least it will not be boring. Looking forward to

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Where do I say only whales allowed to fleet? Where did i even say that.

I said if your scared of having your moon popped do things to stop it.

Your willing to spend alot on building fleet, spend alot to protect it, or run the risk.

You build defence on planet, so your overnight production is safe. If your that worried about your moon getting popped, maybe equally spend in defence, so the attackers cost is alot higher.

You build fleet to attack. You then have the risk of loosing it.

If your that scared, maybe if you get the chance move to Lacerta and join doom ally.

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You were implying it. You are thinking I am in risk lol lets break it down to you since you dont get it at all
1 I am not in risk.
2 You are.
3 for peanuts.
4 Lacerta lol

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Johnson in a pint glass once again.

The statement stands. The way it is means that someone can come and take your moons whilst being much smaller then you without breaking the bank.

It evens the playing score

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You said you play vega , try it. Please, but only 100% mds