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borg- i dont like cameron but i do agree with him not letting an independent scotland use the pound, firstly if scotland does go independent it will be a 1 party SNP state (see ireland when they got their independence)
Well, any economist will tell that the more people who use the pound, the better it is for the UK economy and I really don't think Cameron or any other leader, would deny themselves a better economy. There will absolutely be friendly negotiations on separation of the debt and also on national separation of army/navy/air force since Scotland is taking on part of their share of the debt and will expect their fair share of the national buildings inside their territory. UK has no choice to negotiate...if scotland seperates and UK refuses to negotiate...there UK will of made a nice gift to Scotland...who leaves without taking their fair share of the debt because UK refuses to negotiate these things. Logic and past case of other countries separating.
The reason the Crimea situation is illegal is because Ukraine has in the past spent part of the Ukraine budget in Crimea and in eastern Ukraine...they can't just leave without negotiating first parameters and rules to l hold a referendum ...there is the question of the debt to discuss....just like Scotland and UK have done...both recognizing international rules on a fair referendum.
Eventually...Ukraine, Russia, Crimean and pro Russians in East Ukraine will have to discuss the debt and the conditions which all have to agree on international rules for fair referendums and what rules will they all agree on minorities and such. It wont be easy, but this is what will happen eventually.
Uk will not risk a severe recession by refusing the use of the UK pound. Cameron will try everything to smooth UK's economy and that is why Cameron will not refuse the Scots the use of the UK pound. It is a moot point.
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and scotland is already running at a £12 Billion deficit even with all the north sea oil revenue and such, so I wouldnt want him racking up debt with the GBP (yes UK is at a deficit but the tories are tackling that, even if i dont agree with the implementation).
Probably you will agree that any modern economies are running deficits year after year. Scotland will have to shoulder their fair own share of UK"s debt before finally leaving for good or after they have negotiated with UK a type of sovereignty association that benefits both.
Also, many economic reviews have singled out UK for their failing economic policies and especially on young adults and students. That generation is getting no help atm.
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Also salmond is a socialist so I wouldnt trust him with a piggy bank, much less a national economy, though that is more on principle. As for national debt salmon should get 9.9% of it as thats how much of GDP scotland contributes to UK total GBP, and if I were cameron that wouldnt be up for negotiation, at all.
With how crooked politicians have been lately all over the world, it is sad that in the future that there will be extreme elements to profit from future chaos.
but that is another story.
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With regards to the 'UK family' the only people pushing independence are the SNP who are just anti english and naive idiots who buy into his lies. The last I heard was that the no vote was polling at 70% so im not too worried about it per se.
That is a first I hear this. I exchanged emails with some of them from my country and read more closely news on Scotland and in Spain's Catalonia and Basque.
Most Scots feel no ill will. BUT like many other countries....there are idiots on all sides. Just cause someone thinks differently, does not mean they hate UK.
Also, do you have insider news that SNP are anti English? Don't they have a right to self determination and challenge in a fair referendum to separate from UK?
Surely you can see that their desire for self determination will logically not be part of UK's plans and thus opponents? So if SNP loses the referendum, what international law will prevent them from doing another referendum in say 15 years when winning conditions are present? To do a fair referendum or do anther one when winning conditions are there, nothing really stops them. That is why I say it is in UK's interest to negotiate with SNP on what Scotland needs to be vibrant inside the UK family and better to be good brothers rather than fighting opposing brothers.
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However, regardless of the outcome of the vote, relations between scotland and the rest of the UK will be permanently damaged imo
I disagree. There will be hot controversial statements made by all sides, but just like elections, political foes will respect each other in parliament and outside while they still hold their own views on the political situation. If any UK government starts painting the SNP as the dark evil party...then UK will sow responses from them too.
Here in Quebec, the PQ government that was defeated on April 7th, was able to negotiate with the Federal government of Steven Harper. Respect is still in fashion even if they both dislike their political positions.
It is better to negotiate peacefully and respectfully for all sides to gain a stronger UK and Scotland. An opportunity for UK to seize.
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, and tbh i think thats the real reason salmond has been allowed to get this far, divide and conquer that is all devolution has brought, the IRA in the form of jerry adams are in the NI parliament and the welsh nationalists are in the welsh parliament (slightly off topic but worth noting). Another thing worth noting is that while wales/scotland/NI have their own parliaments england doesnt, and westminster doesnt count.
I would never compare SNP to the violent actions of the IRA. That is another story too. UK will have to either negotiate a fair federation or risk falling apart in the future.
You never win using violence to gain political points...no matter what side one is on which I am sure you believe the same.
Sharing power to regions, the stronger the country will be in the long run.