Posts by Cathedral

    The voting didn't happen because the conversation here didn't support having a vote. We were here before you, and we're here after you left...enjoy your other universe and we'll enjoy this one for as long as they keep it 1x. What you've proved is that you can move to another to play the way you want to, but we can't...we only have Dorado.

    I will always push and vote to keep all of Dorado's settings all 1x.


    The only thing I would consider voting for was if there was a way to implement the aforementioned tiered catch-up mechanic for lower-ranked to accelerate their growth that is somehow based on rank 1 (much like expo results are). It's been suggested multiple times in the suggestion forum but it's never gained traction.


    The new uni will die a quick death, just like they all do...

    I would recommend you use the support system and open a ticket as opposed to sending up a beacon for everyone in the uni to see what you're doing...


    Also, an often overlooked part of the bashing rule that you should review:


    New Game Rules - valid from 17.9.2012


    "A bashing investigation will only proceed if a player is reported."

    So, not too long ago I had some delicious pie:


    Solo Top 03 - [TOT: 16.927.294.000] PAGAN [WCKD] vs. Pies (A: 2.198.029.000, D: 14.729.265.000) TP: 2.518.804.359


    And it was so good...


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    ...and I wanted more, and I knew there was more.


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    And that meant we had to fire up the relo machine and go on a very long journey.


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    But once we got there I found out "someone" took "some" of my pie. And that made me angry. That was my pie. And I traveled a long way to have "my" pie.


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    Granted, there was a morsel of pie left, and it supplied me more than enough fuel for my little revenge foray:


    A quick check on stats to see who took my pie and we found our culprit. He tried to hide his fleet on his moon...but I found it! I'm really, really good at hide and seek.


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    So, I went and got my damn pie back.


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    Still PAGAN. Still standing. Still making money and still not...well, you know.


    On 14-08-2021 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker PAGAN [WCKD]


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    Battlecruiser 105.098

    Reaper 51.451

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    Defender samson [ZULU]

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    Small Cargo 33.879

    Large Cargo 11.199

    Light Fighter 38.739

    Heavy Fighter 5.955

    Cruiser 5.079

    Battleship 5.522

    Colony Ship 1

    Recycler 12.061

    Espionage Probe 40.490

    Bomber 1.431

    Destroyer 868

    Deathstar 58

    Battlecruiser 3.736

    Reaper 2.688

    Pathfinder 4.875

    Heavy Laser 1.100

    Gauss Cannon 200

    Ion Cannon 750

    Plasma Turret 100

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    After the battle ...


    Attacker PAGAN [WCKD]

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    Battlecruiser 102.554 ( -2.544 )

    Reaper 50.405 ( -1.046 )

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    Defender samson [ZULU]

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    Destroyed!


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    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    295.522.902 Metal, 189.003.463 Crystal and 75.570.789 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 383.600.000 units.

    The defender lost a total of 2.971.904.000 units.

    At these space coordinates now float 386.102.025 metal and 285.669.000 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 560.097.154 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

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    Debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    128.700.675 Metal and 95.223.000 Crystal

    386.102.025 Metal and 285.672.375 Crystal


    Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    514.802.700 Metal and 380.895.375 Crystal



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 645.095.602

    Crystal: 410.608.838

    Deuterium: 16.490.789

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 1.072.195.229 units.


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    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -1.865.651.902

    Crystal: -1.311.803.463

    Deuterium: -354.545.789

    The defender(s) lost a total of 3.532.001.154 units.



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    Sounds a lot like the "fairness" complaints people have had about DM and insta jump gates too...


    Graveyard merges are the new meta now, it's been known for a while that this is a possible threat...gotta keep your head on a swivel and maintain situational awareness or you'll lose it all. The genie is already out of the bottle, they're not going to put it back in now that they've set the standard for merging these mammoth accounts.


    The golden rule of oGame is more true now than ever...if you let it sit, it will get hit.


    So... as I said in the new #1 ACS I've been really busy and really haven't been able to look around Donato'Nam for money.


    And in waltz's Vale to our Discord, strutting his stuff showcasing some big money gains he made with pie!


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    And I was like...man, I wish I had some pie.


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    And Vale said there was more pie!


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    So, I went and got some pie too!


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    Mmm...all the pie.


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    Anyways...Pie went inactive :(, which is sad since he literally just got here from the graveyard.


    I was wondering why there were so few resources and at first, I assumed Pie shut off the mines (boo hiss). But no, a brief glance back at the esp reports and the mines are all, between level 1 and 5. So, now my curiosity is piqued...this is a strange account and I'm curious how it was played in its previous uni. I'm guessing it was in a high eco uni and high fleet speed uni and made its money spamming expos. It also had really high storage and nanites.


    Anyways...


    Still PAGAN! Still standing! Still making money and still not...well, you know.


    GLIRL


    On 05-08-2021 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker PAGAN [WCKD]


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    Heavy Fighter 1.505.339

    Battlecruiser 101.125

    Reaper 32.248

    Destroyer 50.495

    Light Fighter 4.002.205

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    Defender Pies

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    Light Fighter 77.046

    Heavy Fighter 131.421

    Cruiser 88.525

    Battleship 36.299

    Recycler 203.692

    Destroyer 29.555

    Battlecruiser 11.775

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    After the battle ...


    Attacker PAGAN [WCKD]

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    Heavy Fighter 1.430.900 ( -74.439 )

    Battlecruiser 101.114 ( -11 )

    Reaper 32.248 ( -0 )

    Destroyer 50.495 ( -0 )

    Light Fighter 3.639.029 ( -363.176 )

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    Defender Pies

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    Destroyed!

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    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    4.246 Metal, 5.000 Crystal and 613 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 2.198.029.000 units.

    The defender lost a total of 14.729.265.000 units.

    At these space coordinates now float 2.694.470.228 metal and 1.490.261.273 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 9.859 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

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    Debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    2.694.470.228 Metal and 1.490.261.273 Crystal

    342.604.072 Metal and 189.487.927 Crystal


    Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    3.037.074.300 Metal and 1.679.749.200 Crystal



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 1.500.586.546

    Crystal: 1.018.382.200

    Deuterium: -164.387

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 2.518.804.359 units.


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    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -8.587.093.246

    Crystal: -4.937.797.000

    Deuterium: -1.204.384.613

    The defender(s) lost a total of 14.729.274.859 units.



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    So, Donato'Nam has been kinda slow lately and I've been insanely busy IRL which hasn't left me much time to do anything but FS and expos.


    But then Luki said there was some easy money to be made out in G4 and asked if I'd like to tag along and roll up on it...hell yeah!


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    The plan was to relo in simultaneously and go in guns blazing...


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    But that plan went to hell when Luki got hit with the damn relocation bug.


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    So that meant I had to wait for that error to get worked out...


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    Meanwhile, Vale dropped me a note that there was some pie, so I went and had some pie while I was waiting for Luki.


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    After what felt like forever...Luki finally showed up to the party and thankfully the target still hadn't been spooked by my presence yet.


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    We'd already simmed it, planned it, and plotted it...all we had to do was send it.


    In summary, it's just a simple probe & go on someone who got lazy and forgot the golden rule...if you let it sit, it will get hit.


    There hasn't been an ACS top 10 since before the merge...so I'm thankful to Luki to be part of the new #1 ACS here.


    Still PAGAN! Still standing! Still making money and still...well you know.


    GLORD


    On 05-08-2021 --:--:--, the following fleets met in battle:



    Attacker Account_1 [WCKD]

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    Light Fighter 1.501.098

    Heavy Fighter 204.803

    Cruiser 215.678

    Battleship 127.374

    Battlecruiser 40.513

    Destroyer 20.279

    Reaper 101.725

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    Attacker PAGAN [WCKD]


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    Light Fighter 4.000.912

    Heavy Fighter 1.505.400

    Cruiser 115.894

    Battleship 101.713

    Battlecruiser 101.114

    Destroyer 50.495

    Reaper 32.228

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    Defender Magnus Carlsen [RNR]

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    Small Cargo 117.057

    Large Cargo 87.720

    Light Fighter 3.916.659

    Heavy Fighter 168.581

    Cruiser 139.500

    Battleship 1.019

    Colony Ship 14

    Recycler 312.727

    Espionage Probe 424.042

    Bomber 1

    Destroyer 794

    Deathstar 770

    Battlecruiser 6

    Reaper 243

    Pathfinder 38.824

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    After the battle ...


    Attacker Account_1 [WCKD]

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    Light Fighter 1.214.170 ( -286.928 )

    Heavy Fighter 186.294 ( -18.509 )

    Cruiser 206.836 ( -8.842 )

    Battleship 122.310 ( -5.064 )

    Battlecruiser 38.896 ( -1.617 )

    Destroyer 19.467 ( -812 )

    Reaper 97.723 ( -4.002 )

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    Attacker PAGAN [WCKD]

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    Light Fighter 3.279.412 ( -721.500 )

    Heavy Fighter 1.372.737 ( -132.663 )

    Cruiser 111.226 ( -4.668 )

    Battleship 97.717 ( -3.996 )

    Battlecruiser 97.232 ( -3.882 )

    Destroyer 48.509 ( -1.986 )

    Reaper 30.991 ( -1.237 )

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    Defender Magnus Carlsen [RNR]

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    Destroyed!

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    The attacker has won the battle!


    The attacker captured:

    1.112.828.023 Metal, 374.269.210 Crystal and 522.870.150 Deuterium

    321.933.485 Metal, 62.378.202 Crystal and 87.145.025 Deuterium

    65.488.387 Metal, 31.189.101 Crystal and 43.572.512 Deuterium

    12.375.000 Metal, 12.375.000 Crystal and 12.375.000 Deuterium

    3.025.000 Metal, 3.025.000 Crystal and 3.025.000 Deuterium

    825.000 Metal, 825.000 Crystal and 825.000 Deuterium

    120.110.049 Metal, 7.482.050 Crystal and 13.673.756 Deuterium

    60.055.024 Metal, 3.741.025 Crystal and 6.836.878 Deuterium

    30.027.512 Metal, 1.870.513 Crystal and 3.418.439 Deuterium

    15.013.756 Metal, 935.256 Crystal and 1.709.220 Deuterium

    7.506.878 Metal, 467.628 Crystal and 854.610 Deuterium


    The attacker lost a total of 8.136.227.000 units.

    The defender lost a total of 38.075.916.000 units.

    At these space coordinates now float 7.292.250.319 metal and 3.721.255.284 crystal.

    The attacker captured a total of 2.944.051.689 units.


    The chance for a moon to be created from the debris was 20%.

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    Debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    338.575.497 Metal and 172.776.002 Crystal

    7.292.250.319 Metal and 3.721.269.459 Crystal

    1.099.972.184 Metal and 561.318.814 Crystal


    Total debris harvested by the attacker(s):

    8.730.798.000 Metal and 4.455.364.275 Crystal



    Summary of profit/losses:


    Summary attackers(s)

    Metal: 5.091.605.114

    Crystal: 2.462.331.260

    Deuterium: 440.050.590

    The attacker(s) made a profit of 7.993.986.964 units.


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    Summary defender(s)

    Metal: -25.463.467.114

    Crystal: -12.858.133.985

    Deuterium: -2.698.366.590

    The defender(s) lost a total of 41.019.967.689 units.



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    they should have rallied the troops and voiced those concerns "before".

    :censored:, because you, I, and everyone else on the board know user feedback means :censored: on the forums.

    You're wrong about that...and I can prove it because Dorado wouldn't exist right now if we hadn't rallied the troops and voiced our concerns to keep it. Dorado was an exodus uni, not a target uni...if it wasn't for the community of Dorado and others from a variety of different unis banding together to have their voices heard it would be gone right now.


    You're doing a lot of complaining, you're mad, upset, frustrated, etc. that your routine and safe zone have been disrupted but what you're not doing is presenting viable solutions that work both for your community and this newcomer who is most likely here to stay whether you like it or not. Poo poo my idea, fine...come up with better ones then.

    Disagree, I am using AGO and it's happened to me a number of times since the update ...... sorry

    I haven't used AGR for quite some time, just Infinity...though, unless it updates I'll have to go back to AGR if RiV is able to make the updates for this latest update.

    There is a huge difference between fighting for something "before" a change occurs, and then complaining about it after the fact...especially if what triggers that complaining is having a fleet wiped out because someone felt they were too big to fall and let themselves get hit.


    If you don't like my "solution", then organize and come up with something better. But if your plan is to just complain about the unfairness that they showed up, I personally doubt it will work. They have every right to play the game as anyone else does...within the parameters of the rules that have been set before them. What's the old cliche, "don't hate the player, hate the game...".

    So in the end there is no way to get away from it, once something like this happens, the only thing you can realistically do is stop playing. Unless of course you're okay with scrapping everything and becoming a miner, and fuck that :thumbsup:

    Or, instead of complaining you could organize the universe and show some leadership by going after the things that attracted this player to this universe and request that they are changed. You're worried about speedy out-of-system MDs, then rally the troops and use your voices and demand a change to the setting(s).


    In my opinion, and this is my opinion...I would be surprised if Game Forge forcibly removes this player (as well as the others from Xanthus and Umbra). Provided the player(s) did not cheat and did not circumnavigate the rules to get to those unis I don't see much recourse that doesn't penalize them for following the rules. Doing so would be unfair to them given the fact that they followed the rules. And while staying here might not seem fair, fairness has always been trumped by the rules. Don't like the rules...then organize and use your voices to change them. I personally don't like the fact that different communities have different rules. I don't like that some rules are left...subjective and open to interpretation. But I do my best to enforce them with the tools we have at our disposal.


    Someone tried to use the Dorado merge as some sort of slight against me...here's the thing, I fought for Dorado along with hundreds of other players to combat an unfair merge "before" it happened. We still got shafted to a degree, but at least we kept Dorado 1x the way the game was meant to be played. The circumstances are different. But at the end of the day, mergers have never been fair to the players in my opinion.


    This isn't "before", this is "after"...and everyone has been aware for some time now that these types of merges could happen and if they were concerned then they should have rallied the troops and voiced those concerns "before". And everyone that was paying attention knew when these accounts went to the graveyard...it wasn't some big secret, the only thing people didn't know was where they were planning on going.


    What is interesting (to me) is that they seem to have all simultaneously chose different unis so it makes me wonder if there is some sort of end game and this is just the orchestration of a long-term goal they have in the works.


    If the community had thought about the consequences of graveyard merges when they were first brought to the table then they should have voiced them prior to the proverbial crap hitting the fan. Think this is bad, wait until the chaos accounts mature and start merging...

    These things can happen but have nothing to do with a whale merging in the middle of the night and poppin your fleet.


    However, these are two different skills we are discussing...

    Seriously? You're whining about things that go bump in the night now? The people that play this game don't have to conform to your "night".


    Players can have more than one skill set...I know plenty of fleeters that know how to take advantage of "all" resource generators.


    well, u said everything!
    the point is: the account arrive at the middle of the night on the universe, 1am like I said and for me I only want to the acc stays at vmode for 48h..

    on the merge we know when the merge start and ends. With grav no.

    If you all are playing in such a way that you're worried someone is going to catch you in the middle of the night then you are playing the wrong game. And their middle of the night might be your morning so stop using "time" as a lame excuse for your own weaknesses here.

    Chill it with the schizo theories, not every uni is like Xanthus.


    "Situational awareness" :fatgreengrin:

    Not touching the point that fleetsaving wouldn't save anyone if an account like that merges during the night and pops your moons?

    No surprises there, since that barely ever happens in a 1x.

    This still doesn't negate the fact that if you leave a fleet sitting, that's on you regardless of who comes to town. Players will just have to get out of the "routines" they've developed and learn how to adapt and survive.

    Yeah, every fleet should be on a recalled deployment because you never know when 1 millions rips might join your uni.

    You also never know when someone will infiltrate your alliance, collect data, set up an elaborate plan to take down everybody, and then pull the trigger ala Red Sparrow.


    People get complacent, people lose fleets...that never changes.


    I have zero sympathy for anyone who lacks situational awareness and leaves a fleet sitting because they think they're untouchable.

    Madoka is exactly on point.


    Regardless of what account(s) get merged where; fleet saving is the golden rule of survival. Fail to do that, by making a conscious decision to let a fleet sit is not anyone else's problem but that player's. Players that think they are too big to fall, will.


    These massive accounts were brought up under the rules and conditions set forth by Game Forge, so to punish them for following said rules and playing by the mechanics is no fault of their own.


    Merges have been unfair to players since the word merge was first uttered years ago since GF could not or would not institute a system that would ensure a level and competitive field.


    As far as I'm concerned, if you're not playing in a 1x flt/eco/res uni you are using a crutch anyway and aren't playing the game the way it was meant to be played.


    And this BS about "whales" being unskilled or people using DM being unskilled is garbage and whining similar to the whining players used to use in the old days when all they had to complain about was "player x gets to spend more time in the game than I do because he has no life". These players knew how to work the system within the parameters set forth by Game Forge to get those accounts where they did, there is knowledge and skill there regardless if you can't recognize it.